Pretoria - A property developer has offered to put up R3m for a match between Currie Cup Champions the Blue Bulls and the 22-member Springbok squad eliminated by the All Blacks in the Rugby World Cup quarter-finals in Melbourne on Saturday.
Louis Roos, general manager of Urban Construction, said on Monday his company was serious about their offer. "We're not joking. We're serious about making available R3 million for a match between the Blue Bulls and the Boks. We've got the money. The teams must just take the field."
According to Roos, such a match would provide answers to a lot of questions arising from the Boks' disappointing World Cup campaign.
He also believed the event would be in the interests of Pretoria as a city and of the Blue Bulls Company (BBC). He said Loftus would be filled to capacity, and that the BBC would benefit from the income derived from the match.
Approached for comment, Blue Bulls Company CEO Stephan Pretorius reacted as follows: "Of course we won't say no to that sort of money. We'll be happy to stage such an event."
However, Pretorius expressed reservations about the feasibility of such a match, and - among other things - whether SA Rugby (Pty) Ltd would approve the encounter.
Think about it: We can prove Streaeuli does not know how to coach. The squad that won the currie cup is basically the Bulls B team.
I reckon the Bulls will win this one, seeing as the Boks don't know how to play rugby.
Skidda
Nov 11 2003, 02:59 AM
No no no.. you got this typical negative S.A HEAD ON YOUR BODY.
Yes the Boks did not show as much as we expected, but you can't say that Streauli does not know how to coach
But yes it will be intreting to see who win's this game.
Valheru
Nov 11 2003, 03:06 AM
QUOTE(Skidda @ Nov 11 2003, 11:59 AM)
Yes the Boks did not show as much as we expected, but you can't say that Streauli does not know how to coach
I can say that, because his track record speaks for itself! And how the hell can one coach go through 80 players in two years? How can you coach all the talent out of some of the most talented players in the world? How can a coach teach players to such a degree, yet fail to instill the importance of gameplan, and when it falls apart the whole team look like headless chickens?
Any suggestions?
Skidda
Nov 11 2003, 03:50 AM
Yes Valheru you got a valid point there. But I see the problem coming from much deeper than the coach.
Our players are getting payed far to well and they lost all the urge and commitment to win a game. You look at te Boks now, they came back to S.A and they still going to get an awesome sum of money in there pockets.
What sould happen is because we did not perform as well as we should off, the players should get a pay deduction (penalty) for not performing.
It's not the coach...it's the SARU that needs help.
Driver
Nov 11 2003, 04:07 AM
I dont think our players are over-earning. They earn what is internationally comparetive to other rugby unions, SARFU stays pretty much in accordance with that.
There are incentive bonuses for wins, but you cannot take someones negotiated salery for not performing, that would be illegal.
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demon
Nov 11 2003, 04:09 AM
We need a change from the top down. Rian oberholzer and Silas Nkanunu needs to go.
But they won't. And RS won't be fired either - his contract is until 2005, and Rian Oberholzer yesterday said they have no intentions of replacing him.
Personally, i would like Nick Mallet to come back - i think he was the best coach we had in a long time. Hell, under him we managed to equal the All Blacks winning streak record - and we had a 78% win ratio.
Skidda
Nov 11 2003, 04:29 AM
Driver what is happening here now is that, a player play's for his province and he get's say for example...R10000 per month for playing for Bulls. Then he get's a position in the Boks team. He will then earn R20000 per month...good or bad performance. Say then he get's dropped from the Boks and he still playes for the bulls, HE WILL STILL BE EARNING R20000 A MONTH....Why is where the Questions havened been answered.
Look at Bobbie Vintgat (Skinstad). He was there just for the money...stuff the game of rugby like in the old day's. We do not have the heart for the game as we use too.. This coming all from Naas Botha's mouth ( Rugby Anylist) professional; x springbok ( winning team ).
It has been the topic on Boots and All and Head to Head...ect for ages now. PLAYERS ARE MORE INTRESTED IN THE MONEY THAN RUGBY.
Driver
Nov 11 2003, 04:38 AM
QUOTE(Skidda @ Nov 11 2003, 01:29 PM)
R10000 per month for playing for Bulls. Then he get's a position in the Boks team. He will then earn R20000 per month...good or bad performance. Say then he get's dropped from the Boks and he still playes for the bulls, HE WILL STILL BE EARNING R20000 A MONTH....Why is where the Questions havened been answered.
What I can gather from that is that you are saying is that whether the player is still part of the Springok team or not, The Bulls are still paying him the extra cash as if he had been in the Springbok team.
But thats a moot point, if that person is not in the Springbok team at all, how is over paying him affecting their performance?
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Bizkit
Nov 11 2003, 05:16 AM
The problem is with the professionalism of the game. The players ability to play the game of Rugby is his livelihood. If he gets injured and cant play his loses his lively hood. So players aren't committing their bodies as much as they would have in the past. Hence a poorer performance. This has been getting worse and worse over the last couple of years. Some how SA Rugby has to get past this if we want to improve! I'd love to see this proposed game if it ever happens! I recon the bulls will give them a run for their money! Hell even the Lions will give them a go!
Valheru
Nov 11 2003, 05:57 AM
QUOTE(Skidda @ Nov 11 2003, 01:29 PM)
It has been the topic on Boots and All and Head to Head...ect for ages now. PLAYERS ARE MORE INTRESTED IN THE MONEY THAN RUGBY.
What you say is very true and very shocking. It pissed me off that the SA players get 70K+ for a test macth, whether they win or lose. They get paid to attend practice sessions. They get paid to advertise some fuckin stupid product on TV. So in reality, their income is MUCH higher than what it looks like (monthly), and they pay not ONE cent tax. NONE. Straight into the pocket.
Skidda
Nov 11 2003, 06:16 AM
Spot on Valheru.
I think it's becoming a trend now in this sport, where money becomes the player off the game. Look at most of our top rugby players, they all going over seas now too make more money. So as they say the rich is never satisfied.. they want more and more.
Driver
Nov 11 2003, 06:22 AM
I dont think the issue of money is a uniquely rugby associated problem. Professional sport is big business and the more companies fork money into the sport, the more clubs are willing to pay to get the good players.
You cannot criticize the players for going to the UK or elsewhere to play because they have had a better offer, thats like criticizing a chartered accountant, doctor or lawyer for seeking to further their careers, because that is what sport has become, a career!
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Valheru
Nov 11 2003, 06:32 AM
Yes, it has become a career.
Just one thing more on the payment issue. Look at the states. It revolves around money like none other. The competition for playing in one of the clubs (or teams) is SO strong, so that when a player is kak, or plays kak, they kick him out.
We could learn something from this. Also from Markgraaff the Racist (or some other x-SA coach). He proposed a restructuring of SA rugby geared towards the common SA rugby world cup glory goal, and they ignored him.
Gitano
Nov 11 2003, 06:38 AM
I do agree with the over paying bit, but its not the boks only, its the clubs as well, they on a whole need to stop increasing the salaries for a few years, to bring them bacak down to earth, and make them work harder for their money.
I personaly have never liked straulie (sp?), even when he was with my team(sharks)
I would like to see a coach in the future (the next 2 years, lets give straulie a chance to prove me wrong hey?) that will keep a team, make them fit, and make them feel like they belong, coach them to their full potential, make them proud to be a bok, stop them not bothering about it, becasue chances are at the moment, that you will be dropped soon....
hunter
Nov 11 2003, 07:00 AM
All profession athletes have to declare all income for tax purposes. So yes they are paying tax on their "outrageous" salaries
Giz
Nov 12 2003, 04:13 AM
Back to the topic ...
The Bok team that will face the Bulls (if it ever happens) actually includes many Bulls. So what do you prove either way? That Heineke is a better coach? What does it help if the Blue Bulls were to win a game against Hougaard? Oh please .... this is so typical Pretoria. We are the best ... blah blah blah ... (BTW I'm originally from Pretoria). I know that the Boks will kill the Bulls.
It must be clear from the Bok's performance that SA Rugby as a whole is in deep shit - including the Blue Bulls. The result of the CC means nothing anymore. If SA were world beaters it would have meant something but now that we know we are ranked 6th at best, the CC has lost all its former glory.
We have to win the S12. That is what counts. The CC now stands in relation to the S12 as the Vodacom Cup stands in relation to the CC.
Gitano
Nov 13 2003, 06:07 AM
yeah, that is true, the super 12 is what realy counts now, a pity though, the currie cup used to be great, I dont personaly remember before we had 9 provinces and all, even though I was around, but Im sure having only 4(was it?) teams that played against eachother, the competition was far more fierce, and better rugby was played, was this the case? I know that you cant realy compare the two games, from 10 years ago, to now, but try.
Athena
Nov 13 2003, 01:56 PM
I honestly think that most of out sportsmen and sportswomen are extremely overpaid, especially cricketers and rugby players. I read in the papers that, believe it or not, a lot of the Lotto money actually goes into fat salaries for the sporting ‘heroes’ in our country. The government says that this money goes into ‘sports development’. Se voet!
The government should give these funds, rather, to a more worthy cause.
Whether it’s cricket, rugby, and soccer – whatever sport we are discussing – why is the coach always blamed?!
I agree, Strauli should not have chosen such a young, inexperienced team for the World Cup, but I don’t think that our inexperience was our only downfall.
Guys, the coach is there to guide and help the players. It’s the players who are out on the field playing the game! Stop blaming the poor coach! Every time a team does badly, what happens? Fire the coach and get a new captain. That’s not going to help! Get a new attitude and a new game plan all-together.
Sport in this country places too much emphasis on the wrong things - like salaries and politics.
And, if the Boks play the Blue Bulls, the Bulls will win I’m sure.
Giz
Nov 13 2003, 10:31 PM
The "old" CC system had six teams (WP, NTvl, Tvl, OFS, EP, Natal). In those days our rugby was healthy - and winning the CC mattered. Now I hear if Brian Van Rooyen gets ellected as SARFU president he wants to increase the teams to 22. Man-oh-man when will the circus end! One clown replaces another.
Athena, the NZ team was as young as ours and showed far more maturity. The funny thing (or should I rather say tradgedy) is that we beat the socks off these same NZ youngsters at under 21 level. But when our players get into the senior teams they loose their way. Why? Poor coaching at senior level must play a role. And also, I believe, SA youth can't handle making money as well as their overseas compatriots. Our young players loose all rugby focus when hunting for a new 4x4 and house on the beach. The NZ youth, on the other hand, look after their huge families (mostly on the islands) and have little left to really bite into a wealthy lifestyle. The NZ kids are also brought up to be far less self-centred and more community centred. And that shows in how they use their new found riches - as well as the way they play the game for their communities - as if going to war to protect their family's honor.
JuCa
Sep 13 2007, 02:38 AM
*edit* I started a joke but the joke was on me
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