Ya well impulsiveness took over this weekend and forced me to go and buy myself a PS3.

All I can say is that Consoles have definately upped their game!!!

Spent about 30mins downloading the latest patch connected my PS3 to my comp via LAN enabled connection sharing set IP's and initiated 3G and surprisingly the PS3 can connect through the Comp over USB 3G, 125MB later and she was patched.

Spent another 30mins working out how to stream all my movies etc. from my comp through the PS3 and got that working. Then signed up online through the PS3 (was surprised that you can connect a standard keyboard to it for typing, haven't tried a mouse yet)

All in all not a bad investment, much cheaper than a powerful comp but comps still reign in GFX etc.

Keen to see what other tweaks I can do on this thing.

Currently playing:

Heavenly Sword (damn cool)
GT5 Prologue

In the box to play:

Resistance - Fall of man
Tiger Woods 07
Sonic
Ridge Racer 7
Oblivion
NFS Pro Street
Tony Hawk Project 8
Godfather
and another one I cant remember

Congratulations are in order
You might want to check out MGS4 and GTA4.

DAMN YOU WARPATH! I's come *borrow it from you!

Why is GTA4 not in that list? Or Assasins creed? Or Rainbow 6 Vegas 2? All excellent games

Oh, and how do you stream movies I only have my ps3 connected to my wireless router, you think it would still be possible?

Yea, just connect your PC to your wireless router as well give it an IP on the same address space as the PS3 install Media player 11 and set it up for media sharing then search on your PS for media servers. MP will show an unknown device, click allow and boom it should be able to see your files and playlists etc.

GTA4 and MGS as well as Unchartered is on my to get list games are damn schpensive though!!!!

Hopefully getting mine later this week

You can also download the updates and install them from a flash disk or similar.

Oh, and PS3 + HDMI + hi-def tv > comp

I disagree Rust Comp is still way better for GFX

True, some PC games are graphically superior, but when you factor cost into the equation the PS3 wins hands down.

Nevermind the constant stream of crap PC games lately; seems the devs are focusing on consoles for the future so that's where my money's going.

hmmm

20k for 40' SONY BRAVIA FULL HD
8k for PS3 60gig
600+ per game for ps3...

VS

Expensive PC upgrading every 6 month...

FEK I'm selling my pc!

Fish, you don't have to upgrade your PC every 6 months 1 8800gtx has lasted me more than 6 months and still kicks any gfx on PS3 that i've seen, will reserve judgement for GTA4 etc. but playing Mass Effect on max res is far better than anything i've seen so far that PS could produce. Also FPS games are absolute crap with the sixaxis as far as I know there is a mouse/kb etyc. which would make it far better. Value for money the PS3 could be matched/beaten by a 8K gaming rig so i'm not sure about that, also games ar like R450-->750 max 1K per game.

A staunce PC, decent screen, and 20 games would be far cheaper than PS3 with the same

You way you talk about PS3 game prices makes it obvious that all your PC games are pirated. Yes, if you want to talk price here then brand new titles may be more expensive on the console but there are far more frequent discounts and bargain bin options there too. And there's the exclusivity that comes with a lot of console games nowadays e.g. GTA4, MGS4, etc.

Never mind that the PS3 is on the best Blu-Ray players available, plus it has full media centre capabilities. Add to that the fact that the Bravia you bought beats the hell out of any piddly little 24" PC LCD.

And better graphics on PC? Sure. Better gameplay? Hell no. I've certainly had far more fun jamming GTA4 on a big screen than I've had with the last 10 PC games I played.

Longevity is also important: after two years that 8800GTX will be ancient and it'll be time to upgrade. Your CPU will also be slow and you'll probably have to fork out for the newest socket, which includes mobo, RAM and CPU itself. This was the decision I was recently faced with and in the long run (4 or 5 years) the PC route is SIGNIFICANTLY more expensive.

The PC currently whips the PS3 so in 2 years new hardware would give me 5x the GFX of PS3 so not sure what your point is

Better gameplay? some games arguably but I also have a media center PC running a 8800GTX through HDMI to my projector and have a Logitech rumblepad 2 that I play Assasins creed etc. on lying on my bed just like a console so other than GTA being exclusively 4 PS any other title that comes for PC will be played on my Media Center because it has better GFX anyway.

So currently I have a PC console machine stronger than a PS3 sending a 200" screen through full HDMI, only place PS3 is better is some games and blue ray, for R1500 you can get blueray for comp and have all the functionality and HDD space etc. of the comp

Whips it how? Obviously the PC has more oomph in terms of processing power but you can't argue in terms of gameplay. Think about the PS2: it was released 8 years ago and they're still making decent games for it. (Personally I've had far more fun playing God of War 2 on my old PS2 lately than I did playing crap like Crysis.)

That's great, but how much did all that cost? More than a PS3 setup, yes? Anyone can have media centre/Blu-Ray/gaming capabilities outside of PS3 if you're prepared to cough up for it: the point here is price.

It's insanity to fork out thousands every year just to play games. Even if you splash out on the next-gen console on launch day you're still cheaper off.

Let's take one game as an example: Assassin's Creed. If you wanted to play it on PC you'd have to spend several times the cost of an entire PS3 setup just to meet the system requirements. Smart investment? I think not. Hell, PC users are lucky the game was even ported to their platform.

To quote the moo:

I am not trying to get in to this "argument", however I have to say that my machine which I bought who knows how long ago plays Assassin's Creed perfectly with all the specs full (from what I remember). I didn't have to spend anything to upgrade my PC to meet the system requirements. So much for having to spend several times the cost of an entire PS3 setup. Not taking sides here, just disputing that fact.

Edit: Oh, and terms of being lucky to get the game. Yes we were, however.... it's not like they lost any money porting it...

eish you talking like a ps3 fanboi now

Crysis is not crap it's a technology which current generation gpu's can't handle well... I'm busying play Mass Effect and hell that's great fun! Besides PS3 != FPS game or Strategy game

I have friends with 5 year old PC's running WOW at full res bring into Word, Outlook doing work, proper internet, strategy FPS etc.

In 5 years time the graphics on PS will look archic compared to PC. Peope go out and spend 40K on a full High Def LCD etc to get the best quality so putting comps into perspective if you looking for highest quality and don't mind forking for it, nothing beats PC

PS is good value on it's own though and one or two games here and there are worth PS3, blueray was the main reason I got it.

You PS3 Guys are so BIASED!!!! Here is the same argument in Projector vs Projector the 720P projector in question is the PS3 and the Full HD projector at twice the price is the PC. In this argument the PC is the winner but in PS3 vs PC you fanboys are punting PS3 because it's cheaper. What a croc of shite. I own both and can see which is better.

Kerpal says:
rust sounds just like a fanboy
Kerpal says:
pc still kicks PS3
Kerpal says:
who cares about the price
Ronald says:
difference is PS will last next 5-10 years
Ronald says:
I care
Ronald says:
pc is getting expensive
Ronald says:
to upgrade all the time
Kerpal says:
a 5K projector is better value for money than a 10K projector but the 10K is 10K because of the quality and res etc.
Ronald says:
10k supports FULL HD!
Ronald says:
ps3 needs FULL HD!
Kerpal says:
exactly but the 5K one will give you 720p so it's better than the 10K one
Ronald says:
720p is NOT better than 10k one!
Kerpal says:
yes it is
Ronald says:
FULL HD = 1920x1080!
Kerpal says:
the 5K is better cause it's cheaper
Ronald says:
HD ready only shitty arse 1322x768
Ronald says:
BS
Kerpal says:
the 5K is still better and the bulbs last longer
Ronald says:
put it this way
Ronald says:
you have a 22' LCD monitor
Kerpal says:
stay on topic
Ronald says:
would you run it @ 1024x768 or 1680x1050 ?
Kerpal says:
agree with me
Ronald says:
disagree!
Ronald says:
answer my question
Kerpal says:
i'm saying that 5K is better value because it has shitter grafics but is cheaper and will last longer
Ronald says:
would you run 1920x1080 on 15' monitor?
Ronald says:
oh value wise yes but quality iwse NO!
Kerpal says:
my point EXACTLY we just had the PC vs PS3 discussion in projector terms
Ronald says:
eh?
Ronald says:
no we didn't!
Ronald says:
projector != pc
Ronald says:
or ps
Kerpal says:
i'm saying that 5K is better value because it has shitter grafics but is cheaper and will last longer
Kerpal says:
equate that to the PC is more expensive but better quality, PS is cheaper not as good quality but will last longer

That's a big fish you caught there...

How can I be a fanboy when I have also used both extensively? I've been a comp supporter since grade 2 (a fucking long time ago), I just happen to have had enough of paying through my arse for constant PC upgrades.

I have no idea where projectors come into this discussion. This discussion was never about quality of visuals either: obviously, if it was, the more costly PC option would win. My point though is the average gamer would be better off buying a PS3 setup from scratch than spending cash on a PC setup that will cost more in the long run. Did no one read docmoo's comment?

Buying both though is not a viable option for the vast majority of consumers: it's like saying, "Haha, my Ferrari is SO much faster than your Citi Golf, dumbass!" Yeah, no shit it's faster, it also happens to cost 100x the price.

You have neither a PC or PS3 and want to get into gaming? Be sensible and buy the PS3. You have money to waste and want the best of both worlds? Buy both then.

Rusty Rusty Rusty!!!

Ive been playing computer games all my life, and have never owned a console.

I have however, NEVER had the opportunity to play cutting edge, brand new games because I couldn't afford the upgrades to my PC. Now that I have a PS3, I know for certain that I will be able to play all of the latest and greatest games produced for the next 2 or three years, FANTASTIC!

I just bought new components for my computers (mobo/cpu/ram) and it's the cheapest ever because I didn't have to worry about playing games on it. I already have a ps3 and it has paid for itself many times over. I have 31 ps3 games and 20 blu rays, how many ps3's have I had to buy to play all this? One.

Look at AoC,
Recommended configuration (Up to 1280X960, most features on)

OS: Windows XP Service Pack 2 or Windows Vista Service Pack 1 [R1135]
CPU: Core 2 Duo E6600 or equivalent [R1739]
RAM: 2GB [R1100/GB for some decent OCZ RAM]
Video Card: 512 MB DirectX 9.0c Graphics Card with Shader 3.0 support (NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GTX or equivalent) [R2800 on release]

R7874 for the pc. Now, that graphics card is not even on the Rectron price list anymore, but the new ones are about the same price, so you would have to buy one of those any time soon, so R9874 because you would have bought some of that pc a year ago.

Then, AoC is R300 and then a monthly cost of R140 so another R1980 so it's R11854 and you don't have a monitor, chasis, psu, hard drive, keyboard, mouse or anything else you may want.

Now, the PS3 can be picked up for 4k which is more than suitable for most people.

Explain to me how one can be called a fanboy when opting for the more economical solution? If you can, I am a fanboy and don't give a shit what anyone else says.

Oh God, I must make another post

Ok, so now I have brought the price side of things into the picture again, let's look at a statement made above about Crysis being to awesome for today's pc's.

This must be the most annoying thing ever with computers. Now crysis is too awesome for your computer you just bought, so when the technology comes out to make full use of the game's abilities you would need to buy it. The super awesome Intel QX9650 is R10k and it fails. So you would have to rob a bank to be able to play that game as it was meant to be played. They over engineered it for the PC.

It is coming to PS3 and it will work as best it can on release.

Look at GT5 Prologue. It's essentially a demo and it's amazing. The final product is going to be epic. MGS4, GTA4 amazing. And I can say this from personal experience.

I bought AoC about a month ago, put it into my pc to play and it lagged shitless. I have uninstalled it, cancelled my subscription and put the game in the cupboard. I don't want to have to set all the graphics to low, that is not how to play a game, but to play it on the best settings I will need a new gaming rig. It's ridiculous.

This argument will never end. It's just so much better knowing you have just bought the best game and it will work at no extra cost to your initial outlay.

Also, not to mention the extra things the PS3 does, hell, you are essentially getting a R1000 discount voucher when buying the backward compatible version because it's also a PS2.

Microsoft may have screwed the pooch with my argument about consoles just working. There are different models of the Xbox, the newer games don't work properly on the older revisions. This is just their failure and this is why I don't buy Xbox games anymore, I don't want to spend the money on a game only to find out my hardware is too old and I must upgrade.

Playing an FPS on console is like second nature now, I will agree that it is tricky at first. But that's because you are coming from a keyboard and mouse to the controller. If you started on the console you wouldn't have this problem. I can personally say that playing COD4 on ps3 is about the same as when I played COD2 on pc [fail, had to buy a new computer for that game].

The console just makes sense to me, and getting a pc to look as good as the ps3 does costs you a lot more in running expenses.

warpath your discussion lead to 4 seperate discussions in that chat:

1. PC vs PS3 -

2. Projector vs Projector -
3. Resolution

4. back to Projector


so how exactly did you prove that a ps3 is not justifiable purchase over a ps3? Whole discussion was based on PS3 vs PC yet you bring projector, screen resolution and price of projector into the equation?

your mathematical induction is flawed, by mentioning about a 720p you talking about Resolution of a monitor/projector how does that tie in with how much a PS3 vs PC costs? it doesn't!

You can't justify that over time the PS3 will be outdated vs the PC will still have better gfx, of course that's when the PS3 becomes PS4 or next generation console, why did Sony have the PSOne then PS2 and now PS3???

Price wise paying 20k for a good tv doesn't simply means it ends at that... you can watch DSTV with the tv you can watch blu ray, you can watch p0rn

The whole point about in buying a decent FULL HD tv is the fact that a decent TV last for eons... you justify buying the latest and nicest toys by considering the price value ratio... ok some people don't. But which fool would go fork out 200k for a 100' LCDTV that won't fit in their living room? (go read Maslow's hierarchy of needs )

In the end PS3 is great for console (yaya you can go argue the PS3 vs Xbox vs WII), pc is great for work/game/multimedia/etc.

oooooh. I would like to know where that is? Bare in mind I have been living under a rock for like ages.

Trout, W@RP@T}{ was using the projector vs projector as an example to prove a point. I won't elaborate as I am sure he will. I am quite enjoying reading this thread though.

I think we should all applaud Fishy for introducing the valid and very important point of being able to watch porn on a decent-sized TV.

Bravo, sir.

cyfer you can't justify buying a PS3 over a PC by bringing some lame analogy about resolution/price/difference in product...

lets say you buying a car would you buy a ferrrari over a a porsche for it's looks? power? gadgets? If the pricing of the ferrari was R5000 more than the porsche and has more power than the porsche?

What if the specs was the other way around? Porsche > ferrari what would you take?

I will never buy a porsche. It's shyte. Bad choice of car.

I would hate to elaborate or try explain my warped concept, in essence it's simple you people just not getting it.

I wasn't comparing projectors (well I sort of was but was comparing them as if the one was PS3 and the other was PC) there's no 4 different shifts in my conversation it's the same convo at basics using a different analogy.

The base fact people are arguing is that they will pay more up to twice more for the best quality, so if a decent PC costs twice more then it falls in that same spectrum.

Nobody can tell me PS3's gfx are better than PC's even at current state. So in 5 years even in 2 years the PC will make the PS3 look like archaic rubbish so will I carry on upgrading. Hell yea and in a year the GFX will be already making PS3's look like rubbish.

Their Claim of High Def 1080P will be low Def in 3 years time. 1080P in 3 years time will be the equivalent of 720P nowdays, maybe even less and Blu ray will be a thing of the norm, an Upgraded PC at that stage will have 2550 x 1650 the next range of high def and will come standard with a cheap blu ray player at that stage, will be able to play far superior games and will have proper Internet, multimedia etc. etc. etc. support.

I will keep the PS3, i'm not bashing that it's a capable console and GFX are quite good almost as good as a good comp but further down the line it's going to fall behind. It's running the equivalent of a 7800GTX they actually "cheat" to make the GFX look good without fully rendering stuff etc. but small stuff you wouldn't notice.

hence the battle between consoles! PS is a set standing of console/controller bashing methods... lets see you try play WWF Smackdown vs Raw on a pc

Why render things that the user will fail to take notice? it's cheaper for guys to pay 5k for a console and play games for the next few year than it is to constantly upgrade your GFX, CPU, MOBO, RAM, etc

Then in the analogy of W@RP@T}{'s... why choose the 10K projector when the 5K one does pretty much the same thing?

I am just throwing things out there. Not taking any particular side. I would love a PS3.

Get yourself Uncharted, INCREDIBLE game

Only thing out that beats it is MGS4, been playing that over and over and over

Like I said

I have a rumblepad for my media PC so it's in essence a PS3 on steroids.

That's like saying why run DX10 when DX9 looks "almost" as good.


Answer...... Cause I can

Also bear in mind that the PS3 hasn't even been pushed to its limits yet. Developers are still learning how to squeeze every drop of power out of what's available. Look at God of War on PS2: people thought they'd seen exactly what could be done on the console until that game came out and completely blew everyone away.

On the plus side, the PS3 is at least firmware updateable so its longevity is increased even more.


This is a perfect analogy for this whole discussion. The fact is DX9 actually DOES look almost exactly the same as DX10: there's almost no discernible difference between games that currently use it e.g. Crysis, Bioshock, etc.

Have a look at this Crysis screenie:



If you can spot any major differences between the two you deserve a Nobel Prize, never mind a Noddy Badge.

My thinking here is: Why would you pay 50% extra on your upgrade for all the extra hardware (and Vista) for the miniscule increase from 97% visual quality to 100%?

I keep hearing this "haven't fully unlocked the potential" bullcrap I guess only time will tell

hmmm since stealing warpath's PS3... I tested GT Prologue out on a Sony Bravia 40' Full HD... needless to say I couldn't see any AA on the ps3 for the world model, the trees and walls was so jagged... then I switched from the HDMI cable to Coaxil cable... MY GOD that was atrocious! Why the hell would anyone expose themself ot HD ready shit is beyond me...

Fish it sounds like you are saying that the GFX even at full HD are quite shit no AA etc just as I saw.

I rest my f'en case

^^PC 1 -- PS3 0

So ya if you want really really really good GFX and don't mind paying for them go PC

I forked out for my own PS3 this weekend.

Had very little sleep.

Freakin' awesome.

What games you get Rusty?

Yawn.

I bought my CPU etc and a great case with a secondhand 7900GT for around R14k in sept 2006. Since then I have upgraded the GFX to 8800GT for R2800 extra 9 months ago. Bloody damn expensive, but there is nothing except crysis I cant run on max detail @ 1680 x 1050. Crysis I run on max DX9 detail.

Thats a lot of cash, but that is still running everything great. None of this "have to upgrade every 6 months bs".
I would have been able to run every game out there even if I hadnt upgraded. The PC is more expensive, but its not as bad as the console fans make it seem.

I have never seen a PS3, so I cant really tell the difference in graphics, but the only game I want to play that I cant play on the PC is GTA4. But then again, with Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 coming out.... who cares?

Edit: With the price difference between my PC and the PS3 being around R8k and the difference between the games of the 2 being an average of R400?? (Correct me if I am wrong) that difference is made up by 20 games. I would say my PC has around 2 years of life left in it (for a total of 3 years) before I need to upgrade.

Oh, and I have played Crysis on Vista in DX10 mode... there is a VERY easily noticeable difference in graphics detail, but also in performance.

Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Skate and Assassin's Creed.

Next up is MGS4 and GTA4.

If you have a PS3 you HAVE to get Uncharted.

It is simply incredible

I agree sir hunter. It is an epic game, the story line, the graphics, the game play, pretty much everything in it is awesome.

Been jamming a little MGS4 last weekend, also awesome. What games you guys got / recommend? My problem is I will often buy 2 or 3 games at a time and then they just sit cause I play a little of all of them and then buy new ones Also don't have the time to finish every game

Just basically want to know which games you guys been playing and think are decent.

Here's my list/recommendations on the games I have;
!! Army of 2: Awesome game if you have a friend to play with either off or online. [Must have]
Burnout Paradise: Awesome spin on the saturated NFS style game, online play is also good fun [Must have if you have online friends]
!! COD4: Was irritating at first, but most issues solved and awesome for online and offline play [Must have]
Condemned 2: Haven't played much of it, but scared me [Can't say yet]
Dark Sector: Haven't played it yet
Eye of judgement: Innovative and fun game play, feel a bit nerdy playing it but cool none the less [Only if you have $$'s left over]
Fifa 08: Same as above
Fight Night round 3: Got pretty far in this game, but it can be a bit drawn out at times [Only if you have $$'s left over]
Ghost Recon, Advanced warfighter: Played about 30mins of this game, it's a bit too involved for my liking [Only if you have $$'s left over]
GT5 Prologue: More of a demo with not much game play to it, but awesome none the less [Wait for full game]
!! GTA4: Again, awesome game played about 50% of it. [Must have]
!! Guitar Hero 3: Best social game, pitty about no local downloads [Must have 2xguitars]
!! Haze: Rediculous game. Enjoyable to play with a friend [Must have]
Lego Starwars, the complete saga: Bought this to play the co-op online, but was too frustrating getting it to work Haven't played the single player mode [Not for me]
Marvel ultimate alliance: Again, play this when friends come over, don't care much for single player mode [Only if you have $$'s left over or friends]
!! MGS4: Awesome game, just getting into it now. [Must have]
Motorstorm: Again, play this when friends come over, don't care much for single player mode [Only if you have $$'s left over or friends]
NBA Street Home court: Awesome social game again when you have friends over [For when friends come over]
NHL 2K7: A bit frustrating, but fun if you have friends to play with [Only if you have $$'s left over and friends ]
Rainbow 6 Las Vegas: Great game if you have someone to play with [Get sequel]
!! Rainbow 6 Las Vegas 2: Takes the first one and has an awesome love child to make this. [Must have if you have online friends]
!! Resistance fall of man: Must have this game. It's one of those that every ps3 owner must have. [Must have]
Ridge Racer 7: Usually play this when friends come over, can't see myself actually sitting down and finishing it. [For when friends come over]
!! Sing Star: Epic social game, coming in just behind GH3. Has full song shop with close on 200 downloads at R15/song [Must have]
Skate: Played this for about 12mins, not my kind of game [Not for me]
Smack down vs. Raw: Social game again for friends [For when friends come over]
Sonic the hedgehog: I want to burn mine. [Must Skip]
Soldier of fortune, payback: Wow, really weak game, not even worth commenting about [Must skip]
The orange box: bought to play online but lag was rediculous, can't host local etc. so i would say no unless things have changed as I have played all the other games included before. [Would skip]
Tiger woods 07: Again, play this when friends come over, don't care much for single player mode [Only if you have $$'s left over or friends]
Time Crisis 4: Arcade classic, bit pricey for what you get but fun none the less [Only if you have $$'s left over]
!! Uncharted: Have to have this game, it is epic. [Must have]

Really looking forward to the sequels of some of these games. RFOM especially

Pick up Ratchet and Clank, its an awesome game and a must have on the PS3

Heavenly Sword was not well liked by some but I love the game, awesome graphics and great sound. The "shooter" missions are tons of fun

Agreed

I dig Heavenly sword!!! Thanks for the list Hunter will have a look out for those must have's, although having PC I want to burn my FPS on PS3

no dude... NON HD vs HD READY VS FULL HD = FULL HD wins hands down beyond hd ready infinately!

as for the gfx I was spotting every single little difference in the game so it's bias for a console. It's Damn brillent for a console and besides it was only gt5 prologue... have you seen FF series? those games DON'T bing on gfx!

GFX as you been arguing will not beat PC as pc market moves too fast for any console to keep up.. but hell after comparing PS3 vs xbox (I stole this from another friend) PS3 > xbox beyond and beyond and xbox is deemed a PC console...

Played Ratched and Clank, was good fun but borrowed that and Heavenly sword from a friend. Did enjoy both of them, especially Heavenly Sword.

I used the shitty composite cable when I bought the console and only got the component cable the day after. I almost creamed myself when I saw the difference

wait till you see HDMI on FULL HD tv

So I hear. At the moment I'm playing all my games in 1080i and they look pretty bloody spectacular

Shit, you will all laugh but Im forced to play my ps3 on a crappy rear projection tv, I'm leaving soon, so don't want to try and cart a tv with me.

A friend had full HDMI on full HDTV, and fuck is it amazing, it actually sickens me to come home and play games that I played on his tv. Sometimes I even weep a little.