[this has been taken from a discussion i found... please read:]




I would like to comment on UHURU, and I would like you all please to be open-minded about what I will tell you. I will not force you or try to make you believe what I tell you. I will merely highlight some problems and then we go from there okay?

First of all, forget about the cliches about a volkstaat, about rightwing plotters, about overthrowing the government and all other jazz you heard about. It is propaganda and should be ignored. Look at your surroundings and what is happening in SA right now.

Example: Crime is getting out of hand, no news there. Although it might interest you to know that 2016 farmers have already been murdered in SA. Israel invaded Libynon for 2 soldiers that were kidnapped. (think about this). I can also tell you that the murder rate (excluding people dying in hospitals due to neglegence) is about 64 per 100 000. In France, the rate is 4 people dead per 100 000. SA is currently the crime capital of the world. Farmers are mutilated and tortured until death. I can show you photos, but my idea is not to scare you but to inform you.

I have a video which you can download from the net, about the songs which ANC/Cosatu/SACP members sing at their rallies, their meetings etc. These songs are called freedom songs or struggle songs and after 12 years of "democracy", they are still being sung. These songs incite hatred and violence towards whites. The problem is that these songs are an expression of what these blacks feel and are prepared to do. This is not a racist comment, be open-minded about this. What the reasons for their hatred is, is irrelevant for now, I am only highlighting the current environment in SA. So bear with me.

Next you saw the strikes in the country that have been escalating. Since November 2005 there has not been a single day in SA without an organized strike (on large scale, not little strikes). Think about the Transport strikes, Petrol strikes, Pick 'n Pay, Cleaners, Shoprite and Security guards as an example.

What happened to the loyal workers who refused to strike? They were thrown off trains, their arms were cut off, they were killed and tortured. Why? Think about this. It is not just a question of "it's in their blood". Let me explain why.

Remember the necklace murders which made Winnie Mandela famous? She burnt her victims alive with tyres around their necks if they dared disobey her orders. What was the result? Unity. How sick it may seem, it installed a discipline amongst her followers. Blacks were afraid to disobey her orders which put her in a position to give any order she pleased and knowing, that it would be carried out, regardless of the consequences.

The strikes are creating a similar discipline. They are persecuting anyone who does not unite with their cause. Now the next question is: Why? Why do they need this unity, and what are they planning that they need this amount of discipline for? I will leave this question with you and after the article you can decide for yourself.

Next I want you to look at the culture of the blacks. Not the urbanized black people, look at the rural people. Think about the fact that they have little or nothing to lose. Think about the estimated 20 million illegal immigrants in the country who feel nothing for the people here. Even the blacks dont want the immigrants here because they "take our jobs", one black person was recorded to have said.

Also think of this, there has been 25 years of propaganda about how bad all the whites are, how badly we treated them, how we (today still!) take their jobs, own all the land, try to undermine them, want to rule them, dont want them to have anything worthwhile, how WE GAVE THEM AIDS etc. Whether it is the truth, or lies is irrelevant for now, I want you to think about cause and effect.

Okay, so lets recap:

1. The majority of blacks have a deeply rooted hatred for whites.
2. They have nothing to lose and believe that the possessions of whites are theirs for the taking.
3. They believe that we are settlers who do not belong in Africa.
4. They are instilling a discipline amongst their people to do "something"
5. They incite each other by singing vicious songs about killing whites (even today).
6. Look at the crime levels in SA (being the most dangerous country in the world today and where countries like New Zealand warn tourists about crime and urging them rather to choose other destinations)
7. Look at the hate crimes being committed in terms of farm murders and the brutality of it.

I can go on, but my point is, if there was a rumour that they could have the chance to kill whites when Mandela dies, some may believe it, and if only 0.02% of the black population in SA believes this rumour and are willing to kill (like they said they would), then we have 200 000 murderers running the streets that neither the army nor the police can stop.

But there are also other possible scenarios: APLA was the old military wing of the PAC, the most communist party in SA. When the military wing was disbanded, these militants were taken up into the army. The people you need to protect you if such a scenario plays out, are the people who chanted slogans like "kill a boer, kill a farmer" etc. Just think about this, dont comment.

Also think about this, the military and the government act on "all possible threats". When they hear of a potential threat to their position, they act immediately. Why? Because they are rather safe than sorry. They cannot afford to underestimate a rumour.

Now we have heard a "rumour". You can underestimate the scenario, or you can prepare. It's going to take effort but not more than that. None of your efforts will be wasted.

We are in agreement that anarchy is possible, whatever the reason, and whoever is involved is not important. Whether it is 100 000 criminals, or 100 000 armed militia, or 100 000 ex-APLA members, it is irrelevant. Point is, there is a potential onslaught and we need to prepare for it. Unfortunately, talking isn’t going to make much difference now, those who havent listened until now, will not listen in the future either.

So what do we do? We prepare for it.

How do we prepare? Well, we have done a number of things (as members of the “Die Suidlanders”), including the making of an Afrikaans DVD where ex military intel person, Gustav Muller, speaks about the coming anarchy and calls on whites to unite and prepare in order to survive. Be sure that we are not inciting violence in any manner, but we are aware of threats to our safety and it is 100% legal to protect yourself and your family. The DVD is in Afrikaans, but here are some tips:

Liewer bang Jan as dooie Jan. (Rather scared than dead)

What do I prepare for? Chaos.

What would cause it? The total collapse of the South African Infrastructure. (It could be caused by a number of things, large strikes, a funeral where workers don’t work for 7 days, war in the middle East that causes fuel shortages in SA and all over the world, inflation and interest rates that skyrocket, or a combination of the above). The reason is irrelevant.

What will the result of the collapse of infrastructure be? No power, no running water, sewerage systems not working, rubbish removal non-existant, fuel shortages, food shortages etc.

What happens when infrastructure collapses? Crime increases. The already underprivilaged, permanently disadvantaged, hungry masses will forcefully take whatever they want, to survive. This means that they will target areas where it is perceived to be “rich”, ie. white suburbs, shops etc.

Why do I say this? In New Orleans, a first world country (NOT 3rd world like SA today where 56 people are killed per day), thousands of soldiers had to use extreme force to bring the state under control when rapists, murderers and robbers pludered the city. Outside the city, 100 000 American soldiers waited for the civilians with rat-packs (food packs), tents, blankets and ensured their safety. All this happened because a tsunami forced people to evacuate their homes and knocked out power across the city.

Now think about this. If the power in SA is knocked out for a long period of time (a few days-weeks), why would it NOT happen here? In New Orleans there wasn’t a culture of rape and murder, there wasn’t a hate towards Apartheid, there wasn’t racial friction and they didn’t NEARLY have the crime rate that we sit with in SA. And we all know that after 48 hours, even the battery of your alarm system in your home is flat. Should chaos break out, the police won’t have the manpower to protect the citizens. So unless you prepare, you will be a sitting duck, surrounded by armed criminals, driven by hate, hunger or whatever else. What will you do?

How do I prepare? There are four things to do:

1. GET FUEL WHILE THERE IS FUEL! Don’t wait until there is total anarchy and then try to go to the closest garage. This happens faster than you can imagine. The previous day the people in new orleans still went ice skating and had coffee at the mall. Two days later they were dependent on the US government for food, shelter and protection. YOU DON’T HAVE THAT LUXURY IN SA! There will be nothing waiting for you. So get enough fuel to drive 100km. With that, you can either drive towards food, or away from danger.

2. GET FOOD. It might sound silly until you need bread and drive to the shops to find them plundered, or the shelves empty. It is wise to stock food for about 3 months, you can ignore it, but if there is trouble, you can stand in line with a plastic bowl and wait for handouts. Oh yes, while you are trying to protect yourself and your family from getting killed by people driven by desperation, who also didn’t have anything to eat for weeks, or people that have streamed across our borders for a “better life”.

3. MEDICAL SUPPLIES. This is especially important for children and people with chronic conditions. No matter which way you look at it, you need that medicine, so make sure you have extras. You can ignore it, but if there is fuel shortages, and your medicine supplies cant make it to the local pharmacy, what are you going to do? Go to the hospital where they have the same problem? Hmmm…

4. SUPPORT. Like I said before, there will be no army waiting to help you, especially if we have ministers who publically declare “If you don’t like the crime in the country, then leave?!”. So what do you have? Each other. Form support groups with people that are like-minded. As your groups grow, your resources will grow too. Nothing I have suggested is illegal, nowhere have I incited violence, but if you see what is happening in the country, then it is your duty to prepare for it and to protect your loved ones.

Does any other government expect anarchy in SA? Yes. A British MI6 officer (British Intelegence), told our friend Gustav in January 2006, that 200 points were identified all over South Africa, by 120 MI6 personell since November 2005, where they can land their helicopters AND EVACUATE BRITISH PASSPORT HOLDERS from this country. Remember, countries do not go to these lengths, and fork out these expenses if they did not have a reason to expect that trouble was coming. So if MI6 is ready, we can assume that all other intelegence agencies have done the same for their citizens. Shouldn’t you?

And lastly I would like to leave you with one thought. History repeats itself, do not be as arrogant as to think that you are untouchable. For people who had military training, good for you, but remember that you might not be as fit as you used to be. For people with licensed firearms, it is one thing to own a weapon, and another thing to be able to USE it. Make sure that you practice because it does not come naturally. Knowing the theory behind what you should do, and ACTUALLY DOING IT, is two different things. Don’t be caught unaware.

Last question: From when should you be ready?

Answer: You should have been ready yesterday. MI6 has been on high alert since January 2006.

Who can help me? Die Suidlanders will do their best to assist the white people of South Africa, whether English, Afrikaans or German. But we will make this clear, like Nelson Mandela stepped in for the black people, we represent and step in for the whites and the whites alone. It is not a sin, however we have for so long, reached out to everyone except our “neighbour”. Love thy neighbour as ye love yourself. It is time that WE take hands with eachother, and be selfish and put our loved ones before all others. We can even organize self-defence training for our people. This includes the safe handling of licensed firearms, training for women when confronted with a rape scenario, first aid training and much more.

How do I contact Die Suidlanders?
Email: suidlanders( at )gmail.com
http://suidlanders.blogspot.com/

50 mil populationx 80% high percentage of black pplx 0.02% given = 8000
Where does 200K come from!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gustav Muller isnt this guy some contraversial character? on the news a couple time as i recall
and aren't the Suidlanders connected to the BOREMAG somehow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ok lets see if i'm right.... google is my friend

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OMG look look i'm right.....

Come on this article is hardly credible... and it may have one or two valid points but is quite extremist

Not much to say.

Anarchy, not impossible. But there wont be any sort of planned murder spree by any of the institutions, political parties or government.

if anything we could turn out to be another Zim2! With Jacob Zuma at the helm!

Gustuv is that controvercial guy yes, but if I recall he distanced himself from any institution(other than his own) especially the boeremag

*sigh* not another one of these.... ay yeah... not much to say other than to suggest that the best way to deal with views such as those expressed on the suidlanders blog is to not give it the time of day especially if you dont agree with it... from my own experience, the best way for me to deal with views such as those or any other sort of dumbass comments made by the majority of people... is to just ignore it... giving it any sort of attention, makes it worth your time, which it clearly is not.... its the same like when you get riled about what an ex has done to you in the past... dont... because some people dont even deserve to be remembered.... much like the dude who wrote that piece

anarchy and chaos are relative feelings or views of the situation that SA finds itself in.... the relativity with reference to racial groups of course... murder sprees? i dont think it would get to that stage

it already has.

murder sprees as defined by the author of the piece fruitloop posted

I think Paul's right though.

It's genocide as it stands

edit - and I don't mean against whites only... when last did any of us walk to buy bread?

throw in some xenophobia, its insane atthe moment

2 weeks ago.

almost every day....

Crims run away when they see my face

LOL... well maybe it's coz I don't eat bread

OK smartie pantses... When last did you walk to your friend's house after dark? (Radius > 1km )

mmm, back in 2004 I used to walk home to a smallholding (not really outside of town, more like on the edge), through a piece of open veld. About 3km from campus. This was usually at around midnight.
Since I moved to jhb none of my friends are close enough :-p
The area where I live is reasonable safe though. On my way home at around 9pm I often see peoples live-in domestics sitting on a street corner socializing. I see old (white) people walking their dogs at dusk.

EDIT:
I forgot, last week I walked from the JHB cbd to melville at 9pm.





OK, now that's a blatant lie! :-p

So you are not a virgin anymore?

hmmm.. i walk almost everyday from the bus stop to home past 7 at night, from home to the bus stop at 5:30am... then i walk from mowbray to uct middle campus every morning which is around something to 7 every morning... all distances are over 1km...

lol

I live in the United Kingdom, in North-West England. I can only offer a insight from my experience, backed by statistical fact.

78% of crimes against people and 71% of crimes against property are commited by black males in Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

I draw my own conclusions from this.

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i.e. once again the poor/refugee ***siiighhhhh***. Split your statistic dude how many of these "criminals" have refugee status, etc

nice to see something goin' on around these 'ere parts