The person who did this claims to be ethical and impartial yet he participates purposefully in camping domains with brand names taken from this site to drive more traffic to his site. Jason, any replies to this would be most welcome.

have a look at http://www.vault9.co.za

Registrant info from co.za whois query:

1a. domain : (ss is apparently a banned word).co.za
1b. action : N
2a. registrant : Jason Hartmann
2d. amount : 50.00
2e. paymenttype : I
2f. billingaccount : vault9
2g. billingemail : invoices( at )(ss is apparently a banned word).net

What the FUCK.

Thanks for drawing our attention to this ZorG. Hope you don't mind if I post this on SS to get some answers?

Don't suppose you know when it was registered?

http://co.za/cgi-bin/whois.sh?Domain=vault9

look there, date was: 2007-08-14

sigh

lol - that's funny


I suppose this is payback for me getting the ss wiki article referred.

I never thought Jason would stoop but this is an all time low, even for him.

Up till now I actually thought he had an ounce of class, but this confirms otherwise.

ah well.

ha! I just found the article about this on SS.

he claims to be "over it" yet pulls this one?

he calls me a backstabbing bastard? boy that's rich.

he wants to ban zorg for pointing it out?

offense is the best defense, wave power and threats around when caught out like a school kid

this is actually hilarious!

sorry you got caught in the crossfire Des.

Big up to Des for having the cajones to bring this forward.

So is it true that there have in fact been zero redirects?

and for your information Jason, I have admitted rfd'ing the wiki article 10 000 times like you didnt know

I know Millenia told you
I know Apoc told you because I told him

I have nothing to hide, yes I referred it, so what?

vault9's wiki entry got deleted, I didn't cry like a girl.

how do I know you weren't responsible for referring it? I moved on because I was aware that v9 simply was not good enough to be on wiki yet you guys carry on like your lives depended on it?

as for our "dying" forum - we might have fewer regulars than you but we still a pretty good bunch of folks, we have no back stabbing, no dissent in the ranks, no childishness, no bad blood among us, no hype, no worries and no flame wars.

we're happy.

p.s. you can keep the domain, I don't need it, you obviously do - even if it was for a joke, I hope you get your giggle on whenever you think about it

Paul, I gave up expecting Jason to be reasonable long ago.

If he wants to ban me for simply pointing out something that he instigated then he is welcome.

wrt any other history between the sites, I didn't even know about it and it was by chance that I found out about this when .co.za was accidentally typed instead of .net and getting sent there

appreciate you pointing it out but it doesnt phase me anymore, a year ago it may have.

I am just sorry that you are getting the brunt of it.

Well spotted, but just a question. On SS you said it was one of your developers who did it (ie Relic Viper), here you say it was you who discovered it. Just curious if it was you or Relic who found it?

He's such a dick!!!!

You wouldn't believe some of the mails I sent him when he banned me from SS.

Rev, who cares? I am not going to put anyone other than me in Jason's "banstick" path.

I just brought the domain story to v9's attention and rust decided to ask them about it, I really don't care what happens but I do still count it as unethical by Jason.

lovely, I tried to log into ss to post just one thing and seems as though I am banned from there.


so I will just say it here.

if it was really a joke, why pay for the domain? a month later? then offer to transfer it?

I can understand "talking" about a joke
I can understand "executing" the joke

but I can't understand paying for a domain a month after your executed your joke and had your laugh if your reason was just for a joke?

it really sucks to be caught out and then try and pretend that youre not an ass hat by offering to transfer a domain that you paid for a month after the joke discussion ?

ah well.

I posted that on your behalf, nice way to put things.

( at )Zorg - I was simply wondering which it actually was, just some plain old curiosity. No need to get so defensive at a simple question. It's not like I accused you of anything.

Don't think it was defensive Rev. I think the point he was trying to make was more of a saving face for Relic maybe?

I think the only person there to have anything mildly intelligent to say was mithras - good head on that guy.

And the irony of that is that he was flamed for being a young 'un over there.

Rev not defensive at all, the simple fact of the matter is that I have already been banned from one of ace's sites and I would not put it past him to ban me again, I don't think it really matters who it was that typed the incorrect domain and found out about this, the information is still true and I was the one that posted it here and rust took it from there.

Edit: you can give me a virtual cheek lick if will make you feel better

all this need a it's a issue between jason and paul yet members had to be involved.

guys can we leave them at that... they happy with the way the site runs, we happy with ours, quiet frankly between paul and jason they have a big tiff and they should go slug it out.

Paul did the removal of the SS wiki thread it's his prerogative, he didn't hide it, it didn't have v9 name to it, we did not ask him to do it and he doesn't represent V9.

Why Jason have to hide something that you think is funny? yes he was probably piss about SS not making it to the wiki. It shows he's just as bitter at paul and worse of all is he's even pissed that there are people who hang around V9 plus the fact that he keeps stating he's gotten past the whole issue.

I think not

and to threaten to ban Des because he did something not to your liking...

I like the way jason adds in "the other secret" which is supposed to make me go "OMG SOMETHING ELSE?" and lose sleep for 3 months wondering about it

its so easy to see right through that, and its weird how easy it is for Jason to make his name even more arse and show how childish he is by posting that as an end.

if its ever questioned, he'll probably just go "oh noes we really do have a secr3t" and rub his hands together like gollum plotting to steal the ring.
and thus makes himself look like a childish twat for conspiring when everyone is saying "let it go" yet he chooses to hold a "secret" even though we all know that he has really let it go(yeah right).
if he says "oh noes we dont really have a secr3ts, it was only to make Paul crozz" he still makes himself look like a childish twat for using a childish ploy.

whats to gain? some inches to his e-penis?

honestly now Jason, time for you to grow up.

Howsit Paul.

long time no post...

Anyways, the registration of the domain was my idea and not Jason's.
We joked about it for months, but only decided to do it when this whole SS wiki story happened.

You've clearly never worried about the domain in the past (else you would have registered it yourself).
Regardless if you would like the domain, please drop me a pm and I'll organize the transfer for you.

I did not come post here with the intension of starting a fight or a cross forum flame war.
I'm sure you have better things to concern yourself with as do I.

Desmond, from what I understand, the grudge towards Jason comes from the fallout in Guildwars (please correct me if I'm wrong).
If this is the case, then it's sad to see game fallouts turning into personal grudges. If it is not the case, then I apologize in advance.

Kind Regards,
Dave

Thanks for handling this in a mature manner Dave. If Jason had done the same we could have avoided all of this.

Hey guys,

I see a couple of familiar nicks - hope its going good.

Anyway, sorry to have to bust in like this, but I have to just ask about the whole RFD thing - why exactly is it his perogative to get it removed? He is not a member there? It does not hurt him to have it there? The only reason it might be his "perogative" is because he is sour about V9 not having an entry.

About the domain thing - I would think after the RFD thing you have NOTHING to complain about. If registering v9.co.za was backhanded then that RFD was backhanded++.

Welcome (temporarily) back demon.

Again, Paul requesting the RFD was not an action on behalf of V9, as the SS domain registration was not made public over there.

Personally I don't agree with what Paul did and I make no secret of that: it was his personal action and IMHO has no bearing on V9's position. However, we bear no ill will towards SS (have a scan through recent posts and you won't see a single bad mention of it) and yet some people there still bash V9 at every opportunity. There are obviously still PERSONAL issues which are transcending normal forum activities, thus I started the discussion on SS.

I don't understand, whats this all about anyway and how come loads of V9 members are registered on System Sock.

Someone please fill me in

You've missed quite a lot MMM, I'll fill you in over PM a bit later.

Could you send me a copy of that PM as well Rusty,

I got no clue what is going one as well

It's a long story which IMHO has been discussed enough, and is doing nothing positive for us here.

If anyone wants to discuss this further please PM me or another staff member.

*locked*

let me make something very clear.


the reason and only reason that I referred the article, was not because it was written

it was because of HOW it was written.

Weird how quickly people forget as to why everything fell into place, and why I went out of my way for 5 years trying to build something that was ultimately wrestled away.

all this talk of back handedness etc, has anyone actually stopped to think where it all started?

did I start it 2 years ago? no.

Jason did not build a community, he helped admin this site, if SS is in anyway successful today, I promise you its not because of anything Jason did.

Anyone remember how he was detested when he was a mod/admin here?

Everyone else around Jason did their bit and he just stole a few hundred users. An opportunist back stabber who has the gall to call me 2 faced and a backstabber.

but anyway, I digress.


Dave, appreciate your adultness about this,

I am not going to ask for the domain, its true we were never concerned about it, you must do with it what you think is appropriate.

If your intention is to keep it then I would like to ask to what end?

If you drop it, I'll take my hat off to you.

Choice is yours.