So at work here there is an Indian guy that lived in SA for 35 years, he came to the US 3 years ago. When he found out I am also from SA we started talking a lot.

Today he says to me that in his opinion as someone who was pda ( I hate that term ) there is more racism in SA today than there was in the apartheid days. Now I have heard that before from some of the other people I used to work with, and yes from people that were pretty liberal back in the past, people that have turned around completely and now are about as racist and blatant about it as verwoed

So my question to you is this, do you think SA has become an even more racist society? If you are not old enough to remember pre 94, have you noticed a change year after year?

explain pda?

as for the country becoming racist, I'd say reverse racism is where it's at these days

pda = previously dis-advantages

reverse racism is racism. I would agree there is more racism now than before, and yes it is reverse on the most part.

In terms of the topic title, and what Paul said about "reverse racicism", yes. This does obviously not mean that all black people are racist, BUT this whole BEE/affrimative action stuff is not working - and it is proven over and over again.

I would say volume wise, there seems to be less and less racism.
And thats ONLY because racism against non-black people is not considered racism by the world at large


So yes, I agree, racism is hectic today. I have seen racism increase like shit since since I have been around, and maybe thats just because year by year my eyes have obviously been opened to more and more, but thats what I think.
And then I must qualify what I say, duh, I dont live in SA anymore, and I have zero experience pre- 94, so take what I saw with a handful of salt.

PDI - previously disadvantaged individual.
I will only talk about racism from a white towards black perspective now:

Spending a month with a group of mainly black people while doing basic training for the reservists has made me MORE of a racist.
That is because I spent a lot more time than I normally would with a group of people with a very different culture, in a stressful environment.

Back in the day white people had much less interaction with black people, and definitely not in a stressful environment. Then its easier to get along.

Now in the workplace there are bound to be a couple of black people who only got their jobs because of AA or whatever. So you are working on a stressful project and have to work with a black person who seems to be incompetent. Of course your racist tendencies will increase!

I just want to add, that where I work, we havent yet done the whole AA thing. We have 2 black developers here, one of which is truly a great guy and a hard worker. The other one I dont know that well.

Myself and my family are definitely alot more racist than before.

But hey, after 6 armed robberies in 8 months - it's to be expected...

What is racism? The way people of the same race and culture tend to flock together globally? Like Asian communities in the UK and US? Like black communities in the UK and US? Like Indian communities in the UK and US?

South African society used to be segregated by law now it is just segregated by choice as per the global norm.

Now the government is going to attempt "forced integration"? What is the point?

Im not certain, but I don't really think thats what racism is, or even what Hunter is referring to.

Well racial segregation was a major part of the Apartheid system which involved a system of enforced racial segregation...so yeah that was a rhetorical question. And how my post relates to Hunter's post "So my question to you is this, do you think SA has become an even more racist society?" should be quite clear...Under the system of Apartheid, segregation was enforced as part of Apartheid, so we were all segregated as it was enforced by the law. Now we have the choice to integrate and we are still not integrating. It made sense that SA was a racially divided society under Apartheid because the law prohibited integration. The fact that the laws have been repealed and yet we are still a divided society shows we are in fact a more racist society since have now segregated ourselves by choice as opposed to being forced to do so by law.

I disagree.
I don't think the segregation has anything to do with racism, or if it does, its only a small percentage of the population that it affects.

Segregation isn't segregation if people aren't forced into it.
In Dubai, people often lived near their friends, or people of the same county, and this was purely because people like to feel like they are close to something familiar. I know of people in Dubai who lived near black south Africans purely because it was nice to meet up for a braai on a weekend afternoon, or hear a familiar language being spoken every now and then, now if that South African that my friend had chosen to live near happened to be white, under your classification, he would be a racist. Am I wrong?

You telling me that Jewish people don't like Christian people? I'm sitting in Atlanta Georgia right now, and now 5km down the road is a Jewish community. Its not because they don't like the rest of us, its because they like being near something familiar, they are not exclusively Jewish, the people that live there simply happen to be predominantly Jewish.

The neighborhood I live in is FULL of young couples with children (the people I'm staying with fit this classification) They live here because it is familiar, it is being surrounded by people that share the same experiences, and style of living as yourself that makes people comfortable.

So yes, I disagree completely.

This is my take on BEE. Yes it's a brillent concept BUT the people who implemented this BEE policy sees things in their own twisted methods, BEE was never about giving more jobs to the "disadvantage" just because they never had the education. It was about empowering the people to receive better job opportunities. Yet the people who implemented it had the idea that they now deserve to own more, get better jobs and get jobs without ever knowing shit all. That is the problem with BEE... like Cyfer said in the other topic, Give a man fish and it'll feed him for a day, but teach them how to fish and they will feed themselves in future!

what is happening? people think they can just jump into a job by demanding that they were PDA expecting a BIG fat salary yet know shit all how to do his job properly!

and define PDA? Don't CHINESE/Indian/Coloured people have as much right to be PDA? We were degraded just as much as the "Blacks" during the Apartheid era! so WHY are we a minority PDA? 3 years ago I've been to 3 interviews which stated they were looking for PDA - chinese people was consider PDA but as a minority - yet I was told straight to my face that I am not "Black" WTF? Why is it chinese/indian people managed to survive the apartheid and come to live as we do? The reason is WE FEKING work are arses off to get to where we are now. We didn't get freebies... so Reverse Racism? Yeah definately!

What's even worse, I've heard 3 cases of people, "white" people getting beaten to a pulp by the police and told that they are WHITE TRASH and deserved a beating (details I won't go into)... is that not racism? That sort of behaviour has been happening to chinese people since the reverse apartheid... I have friends/family that are SOUTH AFRICAN born yet they have been subjected to these beating because they are chinese...

I could not agree with you more if I tried!! Well said fishfly......

No one gave us anything. We got jack during Apartheid, we get fuck-all now....nothing's really changed for us.

Instead of complaining - We just put our heads down and get to work!!!!