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FiveCard
Can Liverpool pull it off again?

Raina would be the favourite if the game runs to penalties again, but unless the Reds play more attacking football than they did in Istanbul, my guess is the game won't reach extra time.

Who do you believe - not hope - will win, and by what score?

I'll take Liverpool, 2-1...
Heir_of_Isildur
I hope there is some action.

Recently finals have become a bit of a farce, with action really coming in the QF's and SF's.

I hope Liverpool win (just because they're English), and I don't think I could say one team has a big advantage over the other... it is only 1 game.
Paul
milan 2 - liverpool 0
Fishfly
Milan 3 - 0 Pool

I must agree the SF has been the best game between AC and Man Utd it's always been the best game in the Euro Champs...

Liverpool and Chelsea match was really shit had no umf to it one team attacked until they scored 1 goal then it was boring as hell to watch whereas AC man utd went at it all out with AC coming out stronger - goes to show when playing in the CL you can't have missing 1st choice central defenders
millennia
Liverpool 2 - 1 Milan

Fowler to score the winner in injury time smile.gif

Perfect send off for one of the greatest kop heroes ever.
cyfermaster
Milan will win it. Just not sure by how much. smile.gif

Perfect send off for MR MILAN. (Maldini)
millennia
Bah cyfer, Fowler > Maldini tongue.gif
cyfermaster
LOL, never. How many times has Fowler been the best anything in the world? hmmm.. how many caps did he score for his country... Not even Liverpool want him these days. tongue.gif
FiveCard
QUOTE(cyfermaster @ May 23 2007, 02:38 PM) *
LOL, never. How many times has Fowler been the best anything in the world? hmmm.. how many caps did he score for his country... Not even Liverpool want him these days. tongue.gif


Cyfer, you're an Admin - please delete this post!! boxing.gif rifle.gif Robbie Rocks!!
cyfermaster
why would I delete such a quality post? Unless you mean your post, I can delete that with pleasure.
Paul
lol, all I know is that the only way that blobby fowler will contribute is if he shnarfs 3 grams of coke before the game
hunter
Gunners FTW!!!

oh ermmm nm sad.gif

Liverpool 1 Milan 0
blood105
Milan 4 - Liverpool 1
cyfermaster
2 - 1 for AC. woohoo. clap.gif
millennia
sad.gif

Grats to AC but big slaps to the whistle happy ref dry.gif
FiveCard
One cuppucino and a slice of humble pie, please?

AC Milan were the better team in the second half, but Saint Benitez needs a kick in the arse! Kuyt and Zenden should have been substituted after half time as they were unable to shake defenders.

Would have put money on the free-kick being a hand-ball (off Inzaghi's arm). but since only Raina and I feel that way, I accept the score. Inzaghi's second goal was pure genius and the doddering defence must have wished Hypia was there to do the job properly.

The better team won.

Now...let's play poker..! punk.gif

millennia
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but since only Raina and I feel that way

Make that 3 of us but since we're much bigger than Chelski we won't linger on it for years to come dry.gif
Fishfly
hahahah shame to pool fans biggrin.gif


personally benitiz went with the wrong strategy. Had he implemented Couch from the beginning and used the long ball method liverpool would have had more of an attacking chance... why? because by employing that strategy they would have removed gattusso outta the defence for a bit giving then more freedom to attack Maldini and Nesta directly... but they went to the same route united did... direct attack and that would never penetrate Milan espeically when Gattusso is in the way biggrin.gif
cyfermaster
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Grats to AC but big slaps to the whistle happy ref
Remember, it is ref's optional time. He doesn't have to agree with the 4th dude.

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Would have put money on the free-kick being a hand-ball (off Inzaghi's arm). but since only Raina and I feel that way, I accept the score.


It was off the shoulder/upper part of the arm, and to the best of my knowledge that isn't considered handball. Of course I could be wrong on that.

Also, Liverpool's goal could've been offside. I need to check some replays to confirm, so it could have been 1 - 0 if both goals were disallowed.

It was a game that could have gone either way, but naturally I am happy it went the way it did. biggrin.gif
FiveCard
QUOTE(cyfermaster @ May 24 2007, 04:22 PM) *
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Grats to AC but big slaps to the whistle happy ref
Remember, it is ref's optional time. He doesn't have to agree with the 4th dude.

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Would have put money on the free-kick being a hand-ball (off Inzaghi's arm). but since only Raina and I feel that way, I accept the score.
It was off the shoulder/upper part of the arm, and to the best of my knowledge that isn't considered handball. Of course I could be wrong on that.

Also, Liverpool's goal could've been offside. I need to check some replays to confirm, so it could have been 1 - 0 if both goals were disallowed.

It was a game that could have gone either way, but naturally I am happy it went the way it did. biggrin.gif


Cyfer

Off the 'upper arm' is definitely Hand Ball, but the commentator insisted it came of the chest, so...(Three of us know better!)

Liverpool's goal was as a result of a ball being headed backwards by a defender to Kuyt. Impossible to be offside in this case.

Anyhoo...back to the bloody drawing-board for us!! crying.gif

(You coming to my poker game, bud?)
cyfermaster
Fair enough. if the upper arm is handball, then yes it isn't a goal. Although, Gary and co didn't say anything while I was watching them chat. I did run to mock some Liverpool supporters, so may have missed them say something. The commentator was really confused there. Was never a chest.

It came off a liverpool player then maybe an ac/liverpool player, so in theory could still be offside. Doesn't matter who it comes off last. if Kuyt was offside when it came off the liverpool player before the ac player, he is still offside. Although, saying that I think the AC player near the corner taker was keeping Kuyt onside.

Can't make poker. I have got too much going on this weekend. SCARY stuff. sad.gif
millennia
Interesting read...
Fishfly
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Strangely, the term "Hand Ball" is commonly used, but is not defined in the official FIFA rules. It is a "direct kick foul" if a player (other than the goalkeeper inside his own penalty area) deliberately handles the ball (meaning to deliberately touch the ball with any part of the arm from the finger tips to the top of the shoulder). If the player handles it for the purpose of preventing an opponent from gaining possession, it is a "cautionable offense" and a yellow card should be given. If a player deliberately handles the ball to deny an obvious goal scoring opportunity (e.g., to prevent a breakaway or to deliberately stop a shot), a red card should be given and the player "sent off". However, a hand ball foul should not be called if: (1) a player is instinctively trying to protect himself from injury or (2) the player did not deliberately touch the ball but the ball hit his arm & he did not move the arm toward the ball (however, if the player's arms were in an unnatural position such as above his shoulders or sticking out to the sides, then he should be called for a handball). (See "Fouls").


hahahahahaha right... guys your definition of Inzaghi's handball is incorrect as pointed out in bold

LINK

and if you want to argue Kyut's Goal:

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What makes the offside rule especially complicated is that a player can be in an "offside position" without being offside. Two things are necessary to be "offside":
1st - The player must be in an "offside position" at the moment the ball is "played" by a teammate. To be in an "offside position", a player must be on the opponent's half of the field & closer to the opponent's goal line than both the ball & the second-last defender. A player is not in an offside position if he is on his own half of the field (i.e. the half his goalkeeper is on), or even with the second-to-last defender or the last 2 defenders. (The goalkeeper is usually the last defender, or one of the last two, but he might not be; the rules just refer to the last 2 defenders & don't mention the goalkeeper). This is often difficult to call. (For example, if a player is even with the Second Last Defender & thereby in an "onside position" but runs past the Second Last Defender a split second after his teammate makes a through pass. In this example, the player is not offside because he was in an onside position at the moment the ball was played.)


2nd - The player must be involved in "active play" by either:

gaining an advantage by being in an offside position, or

interfering with play, or

interfering with an opponent

For example, if a player is in an "offside position" but not involved in the play, he would not be "offside". This can be a tough call & can be very judgmental. For example, what if the "onball attacker" is to the right of the goal but a teammate is in an "offside position" to the left of the goal? You can argue that the teammate wasn't involved in the play, but you can also argue that he distracted the goalkeeper because the goalkeeper had to worry about the possibility of a crossing pass & therefore the attacking team "gained an advantage by being in an offside position", in which case the teammate was "offside". In this case, the Referee's decision might depend on whether he felt the Goalkeeper was influenced by the player in the offside position. Obviously, it is a very subjective decision.


He was indeed offside when the ball was flicked off a Liverpool jersey
millennia
Gees Fish, when did you lose your sense of humour dry.gif
cyfermaster
yay. clap.gif I win I win.
Fishfly
/methinks it's this weekend sad.gif bad weekend crying.gif

sorry my bad
perry10
Liverpool 3 - Milan 2
cyfermaster
SHEESH, if that isn't spam I have no idea what is. This game has already been played AGES AGO. AC Milan won.

perry10, if you had read the whole thread, you would have realised that this was for the champions league final. It has come and gone.
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