i really really wanted a Golf 5 gti - but the DSG model i wanted with all the extras i wanted was working out to R285k - so because i needed some cash for some home renovations and also an lcd tv and home theatre setup i decided instead to get a Polo Gti as a runaround project car and in a couple of years time i will probably get either an R32 or a golf 6 GTI when its released as the main car

i dont think im going to sleep till tuesday - im just busy organizing the insurance and paying the dealership on Monday for the car and picking it up as soon as the transfer clears - no bank loans and paying interest for this since im gonna pay for it upfront

heres the skinny - last week the car was at the dealership with a whole bunch of stickers - and it still had the checked cloth seats which IMO are totally fugly - so i ordered the leather

heres a small piccie of the car with the stickers all over the bodywork and the normal rims still on it



so from monday onwards they started on the car and heres a few pics of how its finished off - i took these with my phone at the dealership - so please excuse the phonecam pics - will take loads of better pics once i collect her

heres the front wheel - 18" clones of the detroits from the golf 5 (they are called huffeisen wheels overseas) - got the original vw badges to fit into the clones



and heres on of the rear wheels - she definitely needs a drop - but im going to drive her around for a while and maybe do the drop once i can recover from spending all that im going to in the next few days

here she is all cleaned up and ready to roll - this is one of the money shots



and heres a slightly different angle - couldnt do too many angles since she was parked too close to the wall - she actually looks a little lower in real life as compared to the photos - but i will do a small drop on her soon



and this is whats going to be amazing - the fugly cloth seats have been transformed into a thing of beauty - wait for the high res piccies of this - but this has to be seen to be believed - hard to say this is aftermarket - it just looks like the car rolled from the factory like this



this is anthracite with red stitching - wanted it a darker black - but im not gonna complain with how she finished off

damn - now i just cant wait to pick her up - watch this space for some decent high res pics during the week

future long term plans include in this order :

1) complete the audio setup
2) caractere front bumper
3) some form of eyelids
4) ANO rear valence (cos its real cheap compared to the votex and looks about the same)
5) color code the factory side skirts
6) Eibach 35mm drop
7) Koni FSD shocks
8) chip the car and then do other work on the performance

very very nice!

I am currently in the market for new wheels and am almost inclined to go with a polo GTi cause the golf 5 is slightly out of my range. (ok more than slightly)

I am torn though between an Audi, a convertable cooper or a GTi polo.

Luckily I have a mate that buys and sells demos for iPop SA, so I am waiting to see what he gets his hands onto.

Chances are that I can pick up a 2nd hand demo with less than 3000 km on teh clock for a good deal less than the going rate.

very nice wheels mr Naughty sir! very VERY VERY nice!!!

Naais.

My "new" Polo (1.6) is now almost 7 months old. 8K on the clock. They are very nice.

thanks very much guys - Valheru - hows your car on the juice ??? - is she light or does she eat a chunk out of your pocket



that sounds like a plan - i managed to wrangle a R9k discount out of the guys at weiss motors for a car that was on the showroom floor - hence no waiting - but the car was new

Awesome!

I am soooooo jealous!

thanks scott - will post all the news about her here and also at vwclub forums as well

Nice car there Naughty.

The Polo's are actually quite awesome, granted my TDI is quite a bit stronger than the GTI but the GTI's still move.

Now I just need to sell mine it's been sitting at home for 3 months, i've been too busy to put it up for sale etc.

My S6 is rocking though, totally different animal but at 20+ L/100KM if you are "playing" it's a mother F( at )cking G( at )ss Guzzler compared to the TDI which is less than 7L/ 100 when "playing"

So if anyone wants a TDI, I got one

I thought the GTI tops the TDI in terms of raw power? Or is that because yours is juiced a bit?

Standard the TDI is a fraction slower than the TDI, the GTI has more KW but way less nm of torque. Mine is stronger in KW and more than double in torque

what you want for the TDi?

i think you are mistaking something here - agreed that the tdi has more torque - but the gti still beats it in top end and also take off when standard - but the torque will count for a helluva lot if you are towing or climbing a hill or something like that - you will have more vooma - but on a straight road the gti will kill the tdi

on a track id say they would be neck and neck since the tdi is a three door as opposed to the gti being a 5 door so the handling on the tdi should be marginally better - though ive changed the wheels to improve on the supposedly shabby handling of the gti

0-100 claimed figures are tdi = 9,2 seconds , and gti = 8,2 seconds

top end claimed figures are tdi = 209km/h , and gti = 216km/h

both those are for the 2007 models

if you want to compare a chipped or software modded tdi - well remember that a gti can be chipped and modded too

however the torque on the tdi is monstrous yes - tdi = 310nm @ 1900rpm while gti = 220nm @ 1950rpm

so yep - the tdi is not stronger on anything besides the torque - also brand new the price difference is around R10k - so not much to chose from there - however one thing which makes me regret not taking a tdi is the fact that on almost equivalent price of fuel and identical tank sizes you get around 1200km's on a full tank of diesel as opposed to around 600 with the petrol model - thats the telling figure as far as i am concerned

Paul, I think he wants between 138 and 144K, but I could be wrong.

naughty, W@RP@T}{ was saying HIS TDi is stronger. He has had some stuff done to it. I think his post above that was mistyped. He does know that standard the TDi isn't stronger than the GTi.

what condition is it in? mileage?

I will get him to call you tomorrow.

yeah i caught on to that - but thats why i also said (in bold)



remember though i was being toungue in cheek - cos i know that those tdi's move like bullets

on a more serious note - i know revo are already producing 150kw out of the stage 2 kit for the polo gti - thats more power than a standard golf 5 gti

( at )naughty:

She's light on juice, but keep in mind i do not drive like a total p00n. City driving (dependant on traffic) i get 7.5 - 8.5. Long trips, keeping a steady 120, she sits at 6.3. I once got 720+ kays before the light came on.

It's immaculate

Like new

Model: 2005, Silver

KM's: 46K so 54K left on motorplan

New tyres

Extra's over standard

Full m/plan to 100 000KM's (you wont find that on a polo) cost an extra 23K at the time
Cruise Control another 2K or so
Leather seats done by Sporttech about 7K
Anti Smash and grab another 2800 excl vat

( at )naughty, It has been remapped, hasn't been dyno'ed but indicative figures were around 130KW and 400nm I've beaten the new golf 5 GTI before but the tool prob couldn't drive, I don't drive like a racer only squirt it here and there.

29K of it's life was only highway driving, it's seen a dirt road maybe 3 times in it's life

Paid 186K with a discount of 7K

Looking for 139K my settlement is still about 150K but I need to get it going because paying over 12K in cars a month is killing me

( at )Val at 130km's /h you'd prob get over 1000KM's with the TDI but average town driving you are looking at about 700+

man, you have really hi-jacked this thread. naughty, me thinks you may need to start a new one called Project Polo GTi.

Have you collected her yet? It is today correct?

huh?
what did naughty buy?

A Polo GTI fishy

hey - no probs with me - we are after all still discussing polo's - so if W( at )RP( at )T}{ gets to sell his polo in this thread its absolutely no problem whatsoever



it was supposed to be - but my sister has gotten a hectic idea - she wants me to find out if these guys accept credit cards - she wants the voyager miles - so she pays with credit card and i pay her the cash - gotta see if that weill work out - and still finding out if the insurance guys will accept bandit instead of tracker or netstar for the tracking purposes - bandit has a few extra features in their executive package that i like

I know, but for the amount of mileage i do (about 900 - 1200 kays/month), it was not worth forking out the extra $$'s to have it.


You have a sister? Is she single? Does she want to be?

LOL val shes about 43 years old - im sure thats a tad bit old for you- and no she isnt looking for any sugarboy sex slaves either

ya that helps but don't let the ppl debit from your CC... rather swipe

you'll earn a flight overseas this way

well the credit card idea fell through - they only have a limit of R5k for the credit card - and doing it R5k per day would mean that id only pay it in 40 or so days time - so ive put the bank transfer procedure into motion - so basically they should receive confirmation tomorrow - and hopefully i install the tracking device in tomorrow as well - so on thursday or friday i should be driving around with her

also included the order for a set of MB quart reference front speakers - the dealers will give audio image a check tomorrow so i will pick the speakers up on thursday as well - then just gotta wait for the guy who is buying my citi to pick up the cab and then pay me the balance and im gonna get a JL Audio 12w3 v2 subwoofer and ill also have the install money ready - so ill also get cracking on the audio install too - the audio system is gonna sound so good its gonna be unreal (note not loud - but good)

That sounds like a load of crud. How many services must they do a day, and surely people would pay with a CC... Just doesn't make sense. They just don't want to lose out on 5% for the CC transaction me thinks.

i suspect thats probably the real reason why they were not keen on the credit card idea - but anyways ive gotten the payment process in motion - just gotta give them a confirmation and 24 hours after the confirmation they hand over the keys - so friday latest i hope

Don't you have a younger sister?

all three of my sisters are older than me - and i turn 40 in around 10 days time LOL

Loving the car to pieces man
I want one

I would be very interested in warpaths tdi, if he was willing to wait until december for me to buy it of course
I really really want it! But, I only get home in december

Paul - I hate you you must come pick me up in it if you get it one day, Ill take you for lunch!

Guys, just a quick q, I was looking at the prices for the Polo tdi, and they have two options, the highline and the sportline, whats the difference?

not if you have the money in your bank account...

Highline 74KW Sprtline = 3dr and 96KW and a few other extra's

Sorry Gitano, I'm getting the TDI for my birthday

Bah, you guys. If anyone is going to get it as a gift it is going to be....

his dad.

well they eventually worked a plan - not sure how they did it - the money was transferred into my sisters account and she paid them - so im sure there was some sort of benefit for her involved there - she left for London on the day the transfer was done and will only be back on the 30th so ill find out the full details then

on another note ive been driving the car around for a week now - and its absolutely awesome - going from a citi golf to this is hectically a huge jump - and i still dont miss that golf - yet i feel like i was born driving this car - thats how used to it ive become

its been drawing compliments everywhere - guys at the robots point at the rims and give a thumbs up and all the cute chicks now smile at me - so yeah......basically this car is a nice AGD (attention getting device) - the only problem is to keep the black clean - it gets dusty within a few hours of washing - and also ive noticed that when guys jump in with keys and wallets in their back pockets thn it leaves marks on the leather - so im gonna now have to ask guys to empty their back pockets when they jump in

Thats lekker man. Nice that you really enjoying it and not missing the golf. AGD things are always a bonus.

<--------- Jelousy....

If you dont mind me asking, how much did everything come to? With the leather seats and rims etc?

it added up to around R210k add around anotther R10k for the sound and another R5k for the basic laptop im gonna get as the dvd player for the car

laptop for the car??? wow

the ppl with keys and wallets in their pocket

nice buy there I am envious :envy:

That is a very, very sexy little girl you got there, yum!

I miss driving, I can remember the first time I fell in love with a car, when I slipped behind the wheel of a VW GTi, with leather seats, I knew this was a car made for driving pleasure.

Enjoy man, wish I could have taken her for a spin, not that I would expect you to allow a woman anywhere near your baby!

Hi Hanna - thanks for the well wishes and compliments - nice to hear from someone in another country - if you were anywhere near here id have actually let you take her for a spin (well a short spin LOL)

but yeah this car is great fun to drive - not anywhere near as fast as the jetta cli 16 valve executive that i had in 1988 but its close - the jetta was a bit modified and had this immense kick that bolted you to the seat - whereas this one needs to be modded to give that type of accelelration - but its a smaller car and is so stable on the road due to the wider wheels its actually prodiguous grip on the road so its immense fun to throw her around the corners - so its absolutely grin inducing to drive briskly

bottom line is im gonna have a load of pleasure from taking her in the standard form and eventually modding her to be actually as good as a golf 5 gti (if not better due to the lighter bodyshell) IMHO shes got real potential to eventually finish off as a beast of a car with a bit of blingage and a whole load of speed too - but thats all long term - and in respect to the short term its a real pleasure to finally drive a brand spanking new car after 7 years with my previous car

okay guys heres a small update on this ongoing project - ive gotten some of the ice stuff - again sorry for the kak phonecam pics - but my bro's cameras have been stolen - so will have to borrow a camera to get high res pics done (cant afford to buy a nice camera now - since i just bought the cabbie and also am going to buy a new home theatre setup and lcd tv soon )

the setup is going to be very simple and more oriented toward SQ (sound quality) rather than being a ground pounder since that will start rattling the body panels loose - so the big sub is to just play all the low frequencies with some authority and the aim is to have as linear a frequency response as i can get it - so to that aim im trying to use quality equipment to get a quality sound and going with the KISS principle on the install

so lets start up with the brains of the system - the headunit is going to be my old alpine mp3 player - the reasoning behind this is that alpine has some amazing sound quality and this is one of the older units which should really be giving the claimed voltage and even if it doesnt it isnt too serious since the amp should give me plenty of headroom and i can play around with the gains



heres all the bits and bobs related to the actual head unit - its all looking like a bit of a mess now but its going to be all neatened up as im installing it - gonna have the install done by a friend with me helping so im going to try and stick to high standard of workmanship as i can without breaking the bank

now heres a few items obtained from Jules125 of tremor audio - these were donated by my friend koogs toward my install effort - thanks koogs and also jules - these items are basically the aerial adapter and the vw factory harness adapter and one of the other main reasons why im sticking to the alpine theres also an aux input adapter which works on the changer input of the headunit - the importance of this part is that instead of having a dvd headunit with a small 7" screen im going to use a laptop with a car charger which will give me a larger screen for dvd movies and that also will serve many more functions besides for dvd - so i will build a bracket for this laptop which will still allow me to detach this unit



heres a pic of the face of the headunit and also the remote control for the headunit which i barely use - maybe in the new car i might make use of it LOL

okay - so much for the brains of the audio setup - now lets look at what im going to use as the heart of the setup ........ cue one JBL GTO755.6 amplifier - the amp is a monster which produces 60x4 plus 107x2 watts RMS into 4 ohms but thats not how im going to use it since thats too many lower powered channels - im going to bridge it into 160 watts RMS x 2 for the front speakers and into 300 watts RMS x 1 for the subwoofer - this should give me a lot of headroom for the speakers to work and heres an older piccie of the amp in my old install



now all of these things described so far i already had so what did i now buy - well as time goes on speakers get damaged as you crank up the volume on your sound system so i definitely needed a new set of speakers - i couldnt afford the speakers that i really wanted ie a set of DLS iridium three way speakers so i opted for a compromise and got something cheaper but not too far away from those in terms of quality but these are still temporarily a compromise and in the long run i will probably upgrade to the DLS speakers later

in the meantime the MB Quart reference series RVF216 two way set will have to do - note that these were not cheap by any means at R3k but the DLS are around twice that so there wasnt much hope of me getting the items i really wanted since the car was paid cash upfront and im a bit broke for the moment considering the other expenditure im gonna have at home - but im digressing - back to the piccies



now within the box you see above you will find the following speakers a small but hopefully effective tweeter as pictured here



and then a midrange driver as pictured here



the midrange is going into the stock locations and ill probably have to build spacers to make those fit - so ill also try and face them upward to help in stereo imaging and soundstaging - the tweeter is going to go into custom built pods at the base of the A-Pillar - this is to give the stereo image some height - normally you want the mids and tweeters as close as possible but due to the designs of vehicles nowadays that is difficult and thats why i wanted the three way setup - this compromise will just have to do for now but ive heard some setups configured like this that sounded decent enough so im hoping mine can emulate those with a little bit of creative positioning on my part ie pointing the speakers properly to and measuring distances to be as close together as possible ........ this means that the distance between the left mid to my left ear has to match the distance between the left tweeter and my left ear so those sounds arrive at the same times and thus should be more or less in phase and project a nice three dimensional soundstage

now some people will argue that the speakers on the right will be louder than the speakers on the left which is natural since those are closer to your listening position - and normally you need time alignment to compensate for this ..... since i dont have the luxury of this processing im going to rely on the gains on the amp for left and right being set differently - by manipulating the amplitude on one side you can shift the center image which is what im planning on doing - if you dont understand some of what ive said dont worry- i have difficulties in understanding it myself J/K LOL

so far ive covered my front stage - for rear fill im going to use the front speakers from the polo and move those to the rear - and im going to power those directly from the headunit - rear fill for me is normally faded out and is only activated when i have rear seat passengers - so those guys dont need the best sound that money can buy since im paying for it all i deserve the best that the sysem can offer so this setup is going to be extremely driver-centric

whoops - i almost forgot the items which will be doing the processing duties for the speakers - the Quarts come with a nice little chrome box which is the passive crossover for the set - this thing has 4 tweeter level adjustments and heres the piccie

chrome in the front - its far shinier than this pic shows and the sides arent blue but black



and clear on the other side



so you can see the high quality components that have been used for this crossover filter - i have to display this thing somhow or the other - so ill have to make a plan on how this can be done

now the thing that concerns most people is bass - but for me the bass is essential but i dont want enoughto knock me into another time zone - i need to have something which makes bass guitars sound like bas guitars and kick drums must sound like kick drums and both musnt gel together into a big raspy droning effect of mush but at volume levels that also turn your brain into pulp

i could have gotten a nice high quality 12 inch sub - but most of those are expensive and need loads of amplifier power - so instead i opted for a lower rated but larger sub which should give me deep bass extension within a nicely sized box which only needs the 300 watts RMS that my amp provides on the sub channel

enter the JBL 1502d subwoofer - this thing has dual 2ohm voice coils which im going to run in series to give me a final impedance of 4 ohms and it requires ......... drumrolls please ..... exactly 300 watts RMS to run it - so within this huge heavy box here



this is what you will find when you open it



the cone looks like such



and remember that this sub is a bit of a shallow mount subwoofer which means that it doesnt really require much depth to make it fit - so the enclosure can be wider but shallower which leaves a bit of boot space (not essential but helpful now and then for small items to be carried)




will keep on updating as i continue the progress on the project - really hope it sound as good as i want it to - but im sure it will also take around a month or two of playing to run-in and be sounding at its best

my mind is made up, I HATE YOU!

Looks like it is going to be really nice, and sound top notch. I think I am also going to move the way of SQ rather than BUMP BUMP BUMP stuff. Not that I have it now, but I used to when I had my golf. Need to do some saving, and then I will go for something (not as top quality - well maybe) as yours, but the same idea. SPECIALLY THIS...



I like that idea very much.

Cyfer, you better do some serious saving, because as soon as naughty is finished with his sound, I expect you to buy his car off him for my birthday present!

Looking damn nice Naughty Loving it!
I understand what you are talking about, I just dont know wtf a tweeter is..... is it like sub for low, mid for, mid range, duh, and tweeter for the high stuff? I dont have a clue!

haha - yeah Devon - the tweeter is the high frequency speaker - the idea behind a split set is to position those where they can sound the best for soundstaging and imaging

soundstaging is the concept of the speakers actually projecting a three dimensional image which makes it sound like the sound of any particular instrument comes from the area where it was placed during the live recording session - thus you want the cd to sound as lifelike as possible - this wont happen with all cd's but mostly with well recorded reference stuff - but if it does happen with the reference stuff everything else sounds pretty good as well

subwoofers are for subsonic bass ie around below 100hz in frequency and then from around 100hz to approximately 4000hz you get midbas and midrange and from 4000hz to around 20000hz and above its the treble ranges - so human hearing is between 20hz and 20000hz and a good system is one that reproduces that entire spectrum of sound without emphasizing or reducing any of those frequencies thus for any audiophile one of the main aims is to have a linear frequency response curve

the higher the frequency the more directional it becomes - thus the tweeter and midrange positioning is critical and where those point determine the focus in any system capable of playing hi-fidelity music - if all you are after is to play music as loud as possible and get that "DOOF DOOF" thumping bass it is very easy - you just need to dump a large speaker into a large box and dump some speakers together anywhere they fit and wire them up and just turn up the volume knob

however if you want a well adjusted and balanced audio system that can rival a nice home setup then you need to measure and measure some more .... and then some more .....oh and did i mention you will need to to do lots of measurements and carefully place those speakers where they are most effective - which is why those split component systems are reputed to have such good sound quality - im after a simple yet effective install which will reproduce that live feeling within a car ie when listening to UB40 for example you must feel as if Ali Campbell is standing in front of you and singing - that is the effect im trying to achieve

okay guys - install is done - heres pics of the process



box and side panels built and here they are being test fitted in the vehicle



another angle of the equipment - sorry for the blurry pics - the phonecam doesnt work too well at night - but its okay in the daytime



starting to cover the parts in vinyl - heres the side panel being test fitted after being covered



the installer Imtiaz hard at work on the side panel



the back of the side panel - this side is also nice and neat too - the edges were all stapled to the wood so it will never get shabby or frayed