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Johannesburg - Surprises were few and far between when South Africa's preliminary Cricket World Cup squad of 30 players was announced on Tuesday.

Haroon Lorgat, convener of the selectors, said that with the exception of two or three players the World Cup team of 15 had been finalised.

The team to compete in the tournament in the West Indies in March and April will be announced on February 15.

Left-arm spinner Paul Harris, who did not play in a single one-day match for the Titans this season, can be regarded as one of the surprise inclusions in the preliminary squad.

Lorgat justified it by saying Harris was one of those players who "just look if they belong at this level".

"We picked him solely on his performance in the one Test match he has played (against India in Cape Town last week), but we believe he is a player who belongs at international level."

Hashim Amla didn't make it

Free State's Boeta Dippenaar is also in the squad, as is Vernon Philander, who played a major role to help the Cobras win the domestic one-day competition.

Also included were Morné van Wyk, another star of the domestic series, Justin Ontong and Alviro Petersen.

Hashim Amla, a member of the Test team against India and Pakistan, did not make the squad.

Room was made, however, for Johan Botha, who has not played for the Proteas since being suspended by the International Cricket Council for an illegal bowling action.

Botha has since been reinstated, but Proteas coach Mickey Arthur has said the spinner will first be given an opportunity to make his mark at domestic level, where he will be under less pressure.

Three matches in Zimbabwe

It is expected that the squad to be chosen later this month for the five one-day matches against Pakistan will be largely retained for the World Cup tournament.

SA captain Graeme Smith said on Tuesday: "We would like it to be the team that will play together and become a unit before the World Cup."

A team to be captained by Robin Peterson will play three matches in Zimbabwe between January 25 and 28.

Good performances may enable one or two players to force their way into the World Cup squad.

The preliminary World Cup squad: Graeme Smith ©, Loots Bosman, Johan Botha, Mark Boucher, AB de Villiers, Boeta Dippenaar, JP Duminy, Herschelle Gibbs, Andrew Hall, Paul Harris, Jacques Kallis, Justin Kemp, Garnett Kruger, Charl Langeveldt, Albie Morkel, André Nel, Makhaya Ntini, Justin Ontong, Alviro Petersen, Robin Peterson, Vernon Philander, Shaun Pollock, Ashwell Prince, Jacques Rudolph, Dale Steyn, Roger Telemachus, Alfonso Thomas, Thandi Tshabalala, Johan van der Wath and Morné van Wyk.

The 14 to tour Zimbabwe are: Bosman, Dippenaar, Duminy, Kemp, Langeveldt, Morkel, Alviro Petersen, Robin Peterson ©, Philander, Telemachus, Thomas, Tshabalala, Van der Wath and Van Wyk.


I am quite shocked that they left Amla out, since we cant really afford to have a whole bunch of "newbies" playing in the world cup! Rather leave out the other newbies and at least have the guys with a little bit of experience in the team. That said, i dont like Amla much (and no, not because he is Muslim or whatever - I just dont like him sad.gif)
CyberStorm
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That said, i dont like Amla much (and no, not because he is Muslim or whatever - I just dont like him )
No reason to explain yourself there, creation. glare.gif
Yes he is experienced but I think the reason he was left out becasue Amla does take a long time to score his runs.
At present form he is better suited to playing Test cricket than one-dayers.

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Lorgat justified it by saying Harris was one of those players who "just look if they belong at this level".

And this is based on what?? Gut feeling??

We all know Lance Klusener belongs at this level. Heck he almost single handedly won us the 1999 CWC! He has proven himself over years. But where is he??

Lorgat's selection is very questionable. Klusener should be in this squad!!
cyfermaster
Klusener should be in our current test squad. Over the last couple of seasons he has been at the top of both the batting and bowling figures in both 1 dayers and 4 dayers. He has bowled more overs than any other bowler as well! The reason he won't ever be in the team again, is because SMITH doesn't like him. To me that is total BS, and Smith should learn to live with Klusener, specially when it could make him the FIRST SA captain to win the WC!?!?!?

Lorgat is a bit of an idjit though.
Paul
lol @ Creati0n, its kak when you have to explain yourself so you dont get branded a racist, I also don't like amla, simply because he refuses to display the castle badge on his shirt for religious reasons, but I am betting he accepts the cheques from castle at pay day.

anyway

klusener is playing county cricket in the uk, he will never play for SA again. Why? because smith is a cunt
CyberStorm
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Klusener should be in our current test squad. Over the last couple of seasons he has been at the top of both the batting and bowling figures in both 1 dayers and 4 dayers. He has bowled more overs than any other bowler as well! The reason he won't ever be in the team again, is because SMITH doesn't like him. To me that is total BS, and Smith should learn to live with Klusener, specially when it could make him the FIRST SA captain to win the WC!?!?!?

Lorgat is a bit of an idjit though.

AGREED!

Smith's dislike for someone should be put aside for the greater good of the team.

The bigger picture here is that Klusener is in fine form, and on his day there isn't a batsmen like him in the world!

He has been at a world cup before. He blew them all away. His experience alone is a huge factor and him not being in the team hurts South Africa's chances somewhat at the world cup. He adds value to the team, with good bowling and excellent out fielding.

Smith and Lorgat are both morons for failing to see this!!!!
Gitano
Completely agree, Although, I have heard a slightly differing opinion which I am inclined to lean towards, even though I know smith is an arrogant guy.
The theory is, that Smith has absolutely no say whatsoever in the selection of the team, which even though hard to prove, I would never put past that fool we have as a head selector now. What do you guys think? Does Smith really have any input into the selection of his team?

I would love to know if Amla accepts cheques from castle!
cyfermaster
I know for a fact that Smith doesn't like Klusener, or McKenzie. I know the only reason that Klusener isn't in the team, is because of Smith. I know people say that he doesn't have a say in the team selection, while that is true to a certain extent, I know he is the reason that Klusener isn't there. NO OTHER REASON.
CyberStorm
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I would love to know if Amla accepts cheques from castle

He does not! I remember reading about Amla in the newspapers when he made his test debut.
He respectfully asked to not have any Catle Lager logos on any of his clothing. His request was approved.

Paul
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I would love to know if Amla accepts cheques from castle

He does not! I remember reading about Amla in the newspapers when he made his test debut.
He respectfully asked to not have any Catle Lager logos on any of his clothing. His request was approved.


Yes, his request not to display the logos was approved, but the question is do they still pay him?

who do you think pays the players? pays for their acomodation? their food? their flights overseas etc?
cyfermaster
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who do you think pays the players? pays for their acomodation? their food? their flights overseas etc?

Cricket SA. tongue.gif (Who is paid by Castle Lager and MTN)
Paul
exactly!
CyberStorm
Thank you for the enlightenment. tongue.gif

I like Amla, but I think his decision to not display castle lager logos leaves a bitter taste in the mouth (no pun intended)

He is part of the SA team and should accept everything that entails. His religious beliefs are his own personal thing and should be kept that way.
Gitano
Yeah, I'm afraid I agree completely. I mean dude, they aren't putting a beer in your hand on TV or making you drink it. But I suppose castle isn't complaining seeing as though they are getting more press because of it, despite Amla's misguided attempts at conservatism.
Paul
I was thinking the exact same thing, people see a big red square where the logo is supposed to be and they know its castle

blood105
i think you guys aren't being fair to amla
Gitano
Why?

Ok checkit. I pay you to advertise my website. You accept payment, and then refuse to advertise the website. Whats the difference?
CyberStorm
This issue caused a storm-in-a-teacup in a few circles.

Its not that big of a deal, IMO.

Amla got what he requested.

Castle Lager are smiling because they got huge publicity when the story broke and when the public see's Amla shirt and the lack of a castle logo, they all know what supposed to be there!

Its a win-win situation.
Gitano
I know that its a win win, but I still don't think that he should be accepting payment for the stuff.

Next thing you know, Castle wont be allowed to sponsor Cricket, JUST IN CASE a Muslim makes the team... dry.gif
cyfermaster
Guys guys guys, MTN are paying his salary... tongue.gif hahaha Problem solved. Everyone is now happy. OK. bleh.gif
CyberStorm
Are MTN still a sponsor of test cricket?? I dont think so anymore!

I dont see their logo painted on any ground, nor is it on any of the players kits!

Come to think of it, I have not seen a single MTN advert during the recent test series against India!
cyfermaster
They don't sponsor Test cricket. They sponsor 1 day cricket, but who is to say that they don't take money from MTN's sponsorship to pay Amla?
CyberStorm
You make a good point cyfer..

The South African team is sponsored ONLY by Castle (Tests) and Standard Bank (ODI's).

MTN does not sponsor the SA team anymore but rather EVENTS like a ODI series and the domestic championship.

Click: http://www.cricket.co.za/default.asp?cId=3159&cl=yes
cyfermaster
oh okay. In that case. Standard Bank could pay Amla.
Gitano
Dude, face it, we have a crook on our team sad.gif
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Why?

Ok checkit. I pay you to advertise my website. You accept payment, and then refuse to advertise the website. Whats the difference?

Honestly I think Castle is prob getting more because of the big hooha over Amla and all the news of it.

More exposure to them
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