I have seen these shirts and a cap variation in Pretoria. It has the old South African flag printed on it with the wording "100% Boer".
How do you feel about someone wearing something like this. Is the old South African flag a symbol to South Africans what the Swastika is to Europeans?
I think it is. While I support freedom of expression and accept that people should be allowed to wear these shirts, I don'thave much time for the people that wear them.
I also think it is a bad representation of Afrikaners as a whole. It fits the stereotype Afrikaner, stuck in the old days, racist and bigoted.
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I don't think it's up there with the swastika, but it certainly says something about the wearer.
I don't agree with it at all. Although, admittedly, it might not have as much impact as the Swastika, it doesn't make it more allowable in my mind.
You can tell a helluva lot about people just from what they are wearing.
You can tell a helluva lot about people just from what they are wearing.
I would say Legitimate freedom of expression, but then they should not bitch if somebody wears a "one settler, one bullet" shirt
QUOTE(Driver @ Oct 31 2005, 11:19 AM)
I have seen these shirts and a cap variation in Pretoria. It has the old South African flag printed on it with the wording "100% Boer".
How do you feel about someone wearing something like this. Is the old South African flag a symbol to South Africans what the Swastika is to Europeans?
I think it is. While I support freedom of expression and accept that people should be allowed to wear these shirts, I don'thave much time for the people that wear them.
I also think it is a bad representation of Afrikaners as a whole. It fits the stereotype Afrikaner, stuck in the old days, racist and bigoted.
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How do you feel about someone wearing something like this. Is the old South African flag a symbol to South Africans what the Swastika is to Europeans?
I think it is. While I support freedom of expression and accept that people should be allowed to wear these shirts, I don'thave much time for the people that wear them.
I also think it is a bad representation of Afrikaners as a whole. It fits the stereotype Afrikaner, stuck in the old days, racist and bigoted.
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That could rather be said about something like the AWB emblem, or someththing wich states racesism.
The swastika is still synonym with what it stands for, this however cant be said about the old SA flag as it was never synonym to a racial movement.
QUOTE(Wolf @ 31 Oct 2005 @ 01:45 PM)
... the old SA flag as it was never synonym to a racial movement.
I think about 40mil South Africans probably feel differently.
Probably, yes, but what im getting at is this, the nazi's is an organisation who put all their power an resources into what they believe and do, wich is attacking people of different race and ethniticy than themselves.
Even within the old Southafrican government, there was people who where strongly against racism.
Even within the old Southafrican government, there was people who where strongly against racism.
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Even within the old Southafrican government, there was people who where strongly against racism.
I don't really understand what your point is.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you implying that there weren't any people against the Nazi's?
Not everyone agreed with Nazism at that time either?
I think he means that the old flag is part of a country which wasn't designed to have the 'We are rascists' idea behind it and that the Swastika was a design which stood for a group of people that wanted to create the uber white people group.
Correct me if I am wrong seeing as I don't really know the history of this country...
Correct me if I am wrong seeing as I don't really know the history of this country...
Juca, you are correct
Ah OK, good.
For a second there I was gonna be all like WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE?!?! Thanks for clearing that up.
For a second there I was gonna be all like WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE?!?! Thanks for clearing that up.
What I find interesting is what exactly are the wearers of these shirts trying to say?
It is clearly making a reference to the 'good ol' days', a reference to Afrikaner nationalism which is synonymous with racism.
Nazism (national socialism) was not very different from South Africa's nationalism. It embodied the same cultural identity and race superiority, state control and authority.
To the people on the other side of the fence, here the Jews and Africans, the symbols that the oppresor identified with were the Swastika and the South African flag respectively.
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It is clearly making a reference to the 'good ol' days', a reference to Afrikaner nationalism which is synonymous with racism.
Nazism (national socialism) was not very different from South Africa's nationalism. It embodied the same cultural identity and race superiority, state control and authority.
To the people on the other side of the fence, here the Jews and Africans, the symbols that the oppresor identified with were the Swastika and the South African flag respectively.
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I don't see there is a problem with it. Remember not all boers from way back then disliked blacks. Just because the person wears such a hat or shirt doesn't mean they are a racist. I could wear one that said 100% natalian or something.
QUOTE(cyfermaster @ 31 Oct 2005 @ 02:52 PM)
I could wear one that said 100% natalian or something.
LOL, That would be doff
Emblems, flags, slogans, etc - they are only symbols of a mindset. Remove the symbols and the mindset remains.
So is a shirt with the Union Jack or a Spanish Flag on it a symbol of returning to past ideals to Native American Indians, Native South Americans or African Americans who are decendants of slaves?
I'm with Juca & Wolf on this one... it's not a symbol of "the good ol' days" or of any racist attitude... while the shirt does say something about the wearer, you can't compare the old SA flag with the swastika...
I'm with Juca & Wolf on this one... it's not a symbol of "the good ol' days" or of any racist attitude... while the shirt does say something about the wearer, you can't compare the old SA flag with the swastika...
The majority of white people never actually knew (well they did to a point) about what was actually going on in the townships and the real discrimination against black people. And it wasnt because they didnt care, it was because they were too arragant to even know! Living there lives 8-5 everyday just trying to get by. Then WHAM! censorship is lifted and everyones like omw WTF has the goverment actually been upto these past couple of years?
well thats my generalized version of it. and basically there was nothing wrong with the old south african flag, it just became a symbol of apartheid. and i dunno why it would say 100% boer on the shirt, when it has the union jack on it..
well thats my generalized version of it. and basically there was nothing wrong with the old south african flag, it just became a symbol of apartheid. and i dunno why it would say 100% boer on the shirt, when it has the union jack on it..
I wonder if 100 % Boer or 100 % Afrikaner would make a difference cos of this? Nevermind the flag... Any opinions on that?
QUOTE(Badavis @ Oct 31 2005, 04:55 PM)
The majority of white people never actually knew (well they did to a point) about what was actually going on in the townships and the real discrimination against black people.
I don't buy that one bit. The laws and "European Only" signs are only a slight indication. The general attitude towards the African, even by those considered liberal, was condescending.
The instituted racism was well known by all.
These shirts are in the same vein as the other Pretoria favorite: "Praat Afrikaans of hou jou bek." It's all about intolerance and bigotry.
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I say yay or neh depending on the wearer. I would wear a Swatsticker just cause the emblem to me defines power, not racism, gas the jews etc. etc. have a look around at rally's etc. and see how many blacks are wearing and actually displaying the "black power" fist held up.
Depends on how you want to take it. It could be racism or just them holding a fist of unity and fellowship. It's all about how you decipher what they are trying to show.
Personally I take more offensive over the new "hey look at me i'm GAY pride showing up (FFS they even have made a GAY drink for gays) than the nazi, 100% boer, Hou jou bek, bla bla bla
To me racism is determined by the person if your a racist either way you will take offense whether a AWB see's the black power sign on shirts, a jew see's a nazi swastika or a black see's the 100% boer it's up to them to decide whether to them it's racist or not. the "i'm gay and proud of it" shoved in your face is a whole different ballgame in my opinion it's not racism or anything, being gay is just morally incorect IMO God didn't make dicks for asses he made a part that is 100% compatible and that was for a reason!!!
Depends on how you want to take it. It could be racism or just them holding a fist of unity and fellowship. It's all about how you decipher what they are trying to show.
Personally I take more offensive over the new "hey look at me i'm GAY pride showing up (FFS they even have made a GAY drink for gays) than the nazi, 100% boer, Hou jou bek, bla bla bla
To me racism is determined by the person if your a racist either way you will take offense whether a AWB see's the black power sign on shirts, a jew see's a nazi swastika or a black see's the 100% boer it's up to them to decide whether to them it's racist or not. the "i'm gay and proud of it" shoved in your face is a whole different ballgame in my opinion it's not racism or anything, being gay is just morally incorect IMO God didn't make dicks for asses he made a part that is 100% compatible and that was for a reason!!!
Nationalism and racism are not the the same thing. I have no objections to use of the former national flag and I think it is presumptuous to assume that merely because someone wears a shirt like that, they are a racist.
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Nationalism and racism are not the the same thing.
But is it nationalist to embrace what is no longer considered to be part of your country? I would consider that more 'idealist'.
QUOTE(W( at )RP( at )T}{ @ Oct 31 2005, 05:51 PM)
I say yay or neh depending on the wearer. I would wear a Swatsticker just cause the emblem to me defines power, not racism, gas the jews etc. etc. have a look around at rally's etc. and see how many blacks are wearing and actually displaying the "black power" fist held up.
Depends on how you want to take it. It could be racism or just them holding a fist of unity and fellowship. It's all about how you decipher what they are trying to show.
Personally I take more offensive over the new "hey look at me i'm GAY pride showing up (FFS they even have made a GAY drink for gays) than the nazi, 100% boer, Hou jou bek, bla bla bla
To me racism is determined by the person if your a racist either way you will take offense whether a AWB see's the black power sign on shirts, a jew see's a nazi swastika or a black see's the 100% boer it's up to them to decide whether to them it's racist or not. the "i'm gay and proud of it" shoved in your face is a whole different ballgame in my opinion it's not racism or anything, being gay is just morally incorect IMO God didn't make dicks for asses he made a part that is 100% compatible and that was for a reason!!!
Depends on how you want to take it. It could be racism or just them holding a fist of unity and fellowship. It's all about how you decipher what they are trying to show.
Personally I take more offensive over the new "hey look at me i'm GAY pride showing up (FFS they even have made a GAY drink for gays) than the nazi, 100% boer, Hou jou bek, bla bla bla
To me racism is determined by the person if your a racist either way you will take offense whether a AWB see's the black power sign on shirts, a jew see's a nazi swastika or a black see's the 100% boer it's up to them to decide whether to them it's racist or not. the "i'm gay and proud of it" shoved in your face is a whole different ballgame in my opinion it's not racism or anything, being gay is just morally incorect IMO God didn't make dicks for asses he made a part that is 100% compatible and that was for a reason!!!
I agree with you there
I know people who wear the 100% boer shirt and its not because they are racist, its because they feel their language and culture is being oppressed by over active affirmative action.
Well said Wolf.
Capn also confirmed what I was saying. It depends on the wearer of course as you will get the odd person that will wear it as a racist smack. I have a few afrikaans t-shirts I am close on 100% english, I bought them because to me it was a part of fitting in with them, having something common between us initially. not as an insult to them because I couldn't speak a word of their language and all of a sudden I was wearing "their" shirts to diss them????
Capn also confirmed what I was saying. It depends on the wearer of course as you will get the odd person that will wear it as a racist smack. I have a few afrikaans t-shirts I am close on 100% english, I bought them because to me it was a part of fitting in with them, having something common between us initially. not as an insult to them because I couldn't speak a word of their language and all of a sudden I was wearing "their" shirts to diss them????
I'm going to get a picture of a nekkid chick printed on my T-Shirt with the words 100% Hoer, any objections......????
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These shirts are in the same vein as the other Pretoria favorite: "Praat Afrikaans of hou jou bek." It's all about intolerance and bigotry.
How this has anything to do with bigotry I don't know, it's a language preference. But you associate that language with racism. The fact of the matter is the Afrikaner nation are sick and tired of being looked down upon. These days every second joke on Highveld is "I can like to be a dof afrikaner", etc. Same for 5fm most of the time, and same for a lot of TV shows. (The sad part being that afrikaans actors seem quite happy to go along for a quick buck...) And it's starting to wear a bit thin on us(Well, me).... esp. since some of the smartest people (among others) I've met in the IT field are Afrikaans.
Of course there's going to come a stage when there is a backlash! It seems from your posts that the moment you see anything do to with "Afrikaner", "Boer", etc. you immediately assume that you're talking about some beer-gut racist idiot AWB cronie. THAT is bigotry.
And just because the Afrikaner nation are starting to stand up for themselves just like all the other groups in this coutry have.
*Off topic i boicot anything concerning Jerremy Mansfield & co.
@ Wazzat if you a nakid pic of a girl who is not your wife then she probably is a hoer, so go for it.
@ Wazzat if you a nakid pic of a girl who is not your wife then she probably is a hoer, so go for it.
Here's a thought:
Why the fuck do i have to feel guilty for being Afrikaans? Why should we feel that endrosing something like that as racist? Its part of all South Africans' culture, whether you like it or not.
The guy next to me can wear his youth league t-shirt, but i if i say something, i am a doos and a racist.
I bet you that you and all the others that feel like this will not be offended when it says: "Talk Zulu or piss off". So being Afrikaans actually makes you an automatic racist and bigot? THAT driver, should be racism, since its by definition thats prejudice.
The same with Laugh it Off and their thing against SAB. They can say what they want. Some people will like it, some will not. Still does not make them racist.
In short driver: be proud of ALL that makes this country South Africa, and don't discount something you don't agree with, or are not involved in at all, or don't understand.
Why the fuck do i have to feel guilty for being Afrikaans? Why should we feel that endrosing something like that as racist? Its part of all South Africans' culture, whether you like it or not.
The guy next to me can wear his youth league t-shirt, but i if i say something, i am a doos and a racist.
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These shirts are in the same vein as the other Pretoria favorite: "Praat Afrikaans of hou jou bek." It's all about intolerance and bigotry.
I bet you that you and all the others that feel like this will not be offended when it says: "Talk Zulu or piss off". So being Afrikaans actually makes you an automatic racist and bigot? THAT driver, should be racism, since its by definition thats prejudice.
The same with Laugh it Off and their thing against SAB. They can say what they want. Some people will like it, some will not. Still does not make them racist.
In short driver: be proud of ALL that makes this country South Africa, and don't discount something you don't agree with, or are not involved in at all, or don't understand.
The only reason i don't own one of those two TShirts is bacause the last time i saw them i didn't have the cash to buy them!
I own a couple of CD of bands that are see as AntiChrist music, but that doesn't make me a antiChrist does it, i just like the sound of the music & 90% of the time i don't even listen to the words, they could just play the "BackTrack" & i'd still listen too it!
Now the reason i'd buy the shirt with the flag is just to see how many people i can PISS OFF wearing it, cause the people that get pissed of are still hung up on the old appartheid erra FOR F#(K SAKES IT BEEN TEN YEARS BACK HOW LONG CAN PEOPLE KEEP ON HUSING THAT EXCUSE if i tell someone that we are turing over a new page & starting over then i don't go digging up the SH!T they did a week/month/year ago let alone 10years ago, I turned over a new page & thus we start clean...
People today refuse to turn over a new page, they like clinging to the past for what reason i can't tell you, maybe it the easiest to keep blaming things on something that has ended 10years ago than it is to start taking responsibility for what they F#(K UP...
The reason i'd buy the "Praat Afrikaans Of Hou Jou Bek" is because Afrikaans is my home language & i like speaking it! If i wore a TShirt saying "Ry 'n BMW of bly van die pad af" would anybody say anything about that? No cause it's MY OPPINION...
I own a couple of CD of bands that are see as AntiChrist music, but that doesn't make me a antiChrist does it, i just like the sound of the music & 90% of the time i don't even listen to the words, they could just play the "BackTrack" & i'd still listen too it!
Now the reason i'd buy the shirt with the flag is just to see how many people i can PISS OFF wearing it, cause the people that get pissed of are still hung up on the old appartheid erra FOR F#(K SAKES IT BEEN TEN YEARS BACK HOW LONG CAN PEOPLE KEEP ON HUSING THAT EXCUSE if i tell someone that we are turing over a new page & starting over then i don't go digging up the SH!T they did a week/month/year ago let alone 10years ago, I turned over a new page & thus we start clean...
People today refuse to turn over a new page, they like clinging to the past for what reason i can't tell you, maybe it the easiest to keep blaming things on something that has ended 10years ago than it is to start taking responsibility for what they F#(K UP...
The reason i'd buy the "Praat Afrikaans Of Hou Jou Bek" is because Afrikaans is my home language & i like speaking it! If i wore a TShirt saying "Ry 'n BMW of bly van die pad af" would anybody say anything about that? No cause it's MY OPPINION...
There have been wars, conquests and political/social systems since the beginning of time. People have been oppressed for reasons of race, religion, gender, class and even the colour of their hair. Who cares?
Some of you are so caught up in being politically correct that you have forgotten the very concept of free expression.
Today people are oppressed by large corporations that exploit people based on a society divided by class and wealth. Does this mean I can no longer wear a Nike t-Shirt?
By advocating that people no longer be allowed to freely express their beliefs, you are in fact simply supporting another form of institutional oppression.
Some of you are so caught up in being politically correct that you have forgotten the very concept of free expression.
Today people are oppressed by large corporations that exploit people based on a society divided by class and wealth. Does this mean I can no longer wear a Nike t-Shirt?
By advocating that people no longer be allowed to freely express their beliefs, you are in fact simply supporting another form of institutional oppression.
QUOTE(Valheru @ Nov 1 2005, 02:22 PM)
Why the fuck do i have to feel guilty for being Afrikaans?
I am not attacking culture, I am attacking the use of that flag and what t says by wearing it.
Wearing that flag is akin to wearing a swastika. I have explained how I see that. That flag was the symbol of apartheid, like the swastika was the symbol of Nazism.
These shirts were not allowed to be sold at Oppikoppi. The organisers felt that the concert is open to all, and the sale of such shirts would create unwanted tension.
Language is a powerful thing, especially when controlled by the oppresor. In South Africa there were massive clashes with police and the government regarding the language policy imposed on Africans. Anyone rememer that?
Wearing a shirt that says 'speak my language or shut up' is pure intolerance. It smacks of everyting that is racist in this country.
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QUOTE(W( at )RP( at )T}{ @ Nov 1 2005 @ 09:07 AM)
It depends on the wearer
So what you're saying is that a person wearing this shirt can be 'pre-judged' as a racist, and then once I've gotten to know them, I can make an actual decision.
I think that anyone wearing this shirt is giving people permission to call them racists, because they 'miss the old days'... what were the 'old days'?
I'm not saying that it's right to assume someone is a racist because they are wearing the shirt, but people are prejudiced - that's just the way we were made.
QUOTE(Milano @ Nov 1 2005 @ 04:09 PM)
By advocating that people no longer be allowed to freely express their beliefs, you are in fact simply supporting another form of institutional oppression.
Without a doubt, but isn't this institution better... aren't we trying to make SA a place where everyone can 'get along', rather than having to avoid people on account of the clothes they're wearing.
Why not wear a 'New' SA'an flag in support of the current situation (even though it's really crappy) - digging up memories of the 'old SA' will not help anyone.
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Without a doubt, but isn't this institution better... aren't we trying to make SA a place where everyone can 'get along', rather than having to avoid people on account of the clothes they're wearing.
Why not wear a 'New' SA'an flag in support of the current situation (even though it's really crappy) - digging up memories of the 'old SA' will not help anyone.
Why not wear a 'New' SA'an flag in support of the current situation (even though it's really crappy) - digging up memories of the 'old SA' will not help anyone.
I see your point however this is not a perfect world. Everyone does not get along. In as much as one person has the right to express himself freely wearing the new flag, the next person has an equal right to wear the old flag and so too express himself freely.
Which is, of course, the fundamental flaw with the liberal ideal.
like the swastika was the symbol of Nazism.
The swastika is actually an old Tibetan good luck charm...
Go to a hindu temple and have a look at the symbols adorning them... swastika's all over the place... It's a religious symbol to them....
Funny how something can be so badly twisted that people forget it's origins 'eh?
The swastika is actually an old Tibetan good luck charm...
Go to a hindu temple and have a look at the symbols adorning them... swastika's all over the place... It's a religious symbol to them....
Funny how something can be so badly twisted that people forget it's origins 'eh?
Interesting post RurouniKenshin...Never knew the origins.
Old news but nevertheless relevant...
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Too PC I'd say.
Old news but nevertheless relevant...
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Monday, 17 January, 2005, 11:42 GMT
Call for Europe-wide swastika ban
Prince Harry has been heavily criticised for his actions
German politicians have called for Nazi symbols to be banned throughout Europe after Prince Harry was pictured wearing a swastika to a fancy dress party.
The Liberal group in the European Parliament argue all of Europe suffered because of the Nazis' crimes, so there should be a continent-wide ban.
Displaying the swastika and other Nazi symbols is illegal in Germany.
Call for Europe-wide swastika ban
Prince Harry has been heavily criticised for his actions
German politicians have called for Nazi symbols to be banned throughout Europe after Prince Harry was pictured wearing a swastika to a fancy dress party.
The Liberal group in the European Parliament argue all of Europe suffered because of the Nazis' crimes, so there should be a continent-wide ban.
Displaying the swastika and other Nazi symbols is illegal in Germany.
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Too PC I'd say.
See this is exactely what I'm talking about...
The Nazi's adopted the swastika symbol... they didn't create it...
And now all of a sudden it's being banned left right and centre...
By the ignorant I tell you!!!
The Nazi's adopted the swastika symbol... they didn't create it...
And now all of a sudden it's being banned left right and centre...
By the ignorant I tell you!!!
Good old Wikipedia has all the details as RurouniKenshin said...
Plenty more info at Wikipedia
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The swastika is a holy symbol in Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism. In the West, it is more widely known as the badge of the Nazi movement.
The motif seems to have first been used by early inhabitants of Eurasia. However, it was also adopted in Native American cultures, seemingly independently. The swastika is now used universally in religious and civil ceremonies in India. Most Indian temples, wedding, festivals and celebrations are decorated with swastikas. By the early 20th century it was widely used worldwide, and was regarded as a symbol of good luck and auspiciousness.
Since the rise of the National Socialist German Workers Party, the swastika has been associated with fascism, racism (primarily white supremacy), World War II, and the Holocaust in much of the western world. Before this, it was particularly well-recognized in Europe from the archaeological work of Heinrich Schliemann, who discovered the symbol in the site of ancient Troy and who associated it with the ancient migrations of Indo-European ("Aryan") peoples.[1] Nazi use derived from earlier German völkisch movements, for which the swastika was a symbol of "Aryan" identity, a concept that came to be equated by theorists like Alfred Rosenberg with a Nordic master race originating in northern Europe. The swastika remains a core symbol of Neo-Nazi groups, and is also regularly used by activist groups to signify the supposed Nazi-like behaviour of organizations and individuals they oppose.
The motif seems to have first been used by early inhabitants of Eurasia. However, it was also adopted in Native American cultures, seemingly independently. The swastika is now used universally in religious and civil ceremonies in India. Most Indian temples, wedding, festivals and celebrations are decorated with swastikas. By the early 20th century it was widely used worldwide, and was regarded as a symbol of good luck and auspiciousness.
Since the rise of the National Socialist German Workers Party, the swastika has been associated with fascism, racism (primarily white supremacy), World War II, and the Holocaust in much of the western world. Before this, it was particularly well-recognized in Europe from the archaeological work of Heinrich Schliemann, who discovered the symbol in the site of ancient Troy and who associated it with the ancient migrations of Indo-European ("Aryan") peoples.[1] Nazi use derived from earlier German völkisch movements, for which the swastika was a symbol of "Aryan" identity, a concept that came to be equated by theorists like Alfred Rosenberg with a Nordic master race originating in northern Europe. The swastika remains a core symbol of Neo-Nazi groups, and is also regularly used by activist groups to signify the supposed Nazi-like behaviour of organizations and individuals they oppose.
Plenty more info at Wikipedia
Thanks Milano!
Will check that site out!
Will check that site out!
When a skinhead in Europe dons a Swastika, the last thing he is thinking about is Bhudism.
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But does that justify banning it ? I mean, where do we stop ? Should we ban any icon that is offensive to anyone ? I might find the cross of the Christian church to be particularly offensive, to the point where I become violently ill and vomit blood, but I can't see it being banned.
And before you say 'Oh but capn, the actions of the Nazis twisted the connotations of the swastika, but the cross is a symbol of faith and love' I will say to you, think of all the evil things the church has done over the past few centuries.
And before you say 'Oh but capn, the actions of the Nazis twisted the connotations of the swastika, but the cross is a symbol of faith and love' I will say to you, think of all the evil things the church has done over the past few centuries.
Turn a crucifix upsided down and it's a symbol of Satanism...
So should we ban the crucifix for it's potential connection so satanism then?
And Driver, a skin head can't think further than the tip of his nose... I doubt he even knows what he's hating blacks or jews for...
Let alone the origins of the swastika.
The few so called "neo nazi's" that I've had the displeasure of speaking to don't know why they hate jews... they just hate jews period.
I find them incredibly infantile in their "beliefs" but they are here to stay never the less...
So should we ban the crucifix for it's potential connection so satanism then?
And Driver, a skin head can't think further than the tip of his nose... I doubt he even knows what he's hating blacks or jews for...
Let alone the origins of the swastika.
The few so called "neo nazi's" that I've had the displeasure of speaking to don't know why they hate jews... they just hate jews period.
I find them incredibly infantile in their "beliefs" but they are here to stay never the less...
Do either of you read? Did you read anything I have written in this thread? I do not support the banning of any image, symbol, whatever. I support freedom of expression, however I do not like what the person is saying.
A better example of a cross being a symbol of hate would be to think of it pegged in someones lawn and on fire.
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A better example of a cross being a symbol of hate would be to think of it pegged in someones lawn and on fire.
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I would gladly wear a 100% Boer T-shirt, minus the flag. Mostly because it will increase the divide, as some people try to see the worst in everyting.
I realy liked that flag, and was sad to see it go. But that was 10 years ago! (I was something like 15 at the time)
To put it on T-shirts now is strange.
I have only seen people in their late teens, very early twenties wear it. They were around 10 years old when the flag was changed. They cant know anything about that time, only what their parents told them.
The either wear it for the sentiment of being proud of being afrikaans, and dont realy mind the flag. Or they wear it because they want to return to the "good ol days", which they dont know anything about realy.
If the flag gets banned, so must rugby jerseys! During my younger years I was OPPRESSED, by rugby players! They violated my human rights and stripped me of my dignity.
To me, a rugby jersey is a symbol of oppression, and anti-geek sentiments!
I realy liked that flag, and was sad to see it go. But that was 10 years ago! (I was something like 15 at the time)
To put it on T-shirts now is strange.
I have only seen people in their late teens, very early twenties wear it. They were around 10 years old when the flag was changed. They cant know anything about that time, only what their parents told them.
The either wear it for the sentiment of being proud of being afrikaans, and dont realy mind the flag. Or they wear it because they want to return to the "good ol days", which they dont know anything about realy.
If the flag gets banned, so must rugby jerseys! During my younger years I was OPPRESSED, by rugby players! They violated my human rights and stripped me of my dignity.
To me, a rugby jersey is a symbol of oppression, and anti-geek sentiments!
QUOTE(Carrots @ 7 Nov 2005 @ 11:09 AM)
I have only seen people in their late teens, very early twenties wear it. They were around 10 years old when the flag was changed. They cant know anything about that time, only what their parents told them.
True, but the reason for them wearing it is probably because they think it could only have been betterthen, than the current situation.
I agree with you, the 100% boer is much less offensive than the flag+100% boer. Primarily because the flag is synonymous with the apartheid regime.
*off topic, Driver do you like attracting conflict?
Why dont you rather ask why our state president use in exsess of R96million
per year on traveling only, for himself only! when there are people dying of hunger everyday, why not take even a half of that to use for fighting poverty?
Your opinions please.
Why dont you rather ask why our state president use in exsess of R96million
per year on traveling only, for himself only! when there are people dying of hunger everyday, why not take even a half of that to use for fighting poverty?
Your opinions please.
Wolf: Thats bereaucracy in action. Excessive travel allowances come with the territory.
QUOTE(Wolf @ Nov 7 2005, 12:48 PM)
Why dont you rather ask why our state president use in exsess of R96million
That is a totally unrelated question and thread. And, you just asked that question. So if you're concerned or want oppinion on the matter why don't you start that seperate thread and people may respond.
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When a skinhead in Europe dons a Swastika, the last thing he is thinking about is Bhudism.
Umm... what if that European is a Bhuddist monk... they're "skinhead's" right... I think you're the intolerant one here mate. If people want to wear a shirt saying "speak my language or shutup", it's up to them... just like it's a Bhuddist monk's right to wear a swastika and shave his head, no matter where they happen to be, in Europe or the far East.
I would think that a person wearing an old SA flag '100% boer' shirt has a right to do so... people may think what they like about him/her... that's the beauty of what we call a 'democracy'...
So on that premise you would be allowed to wear a shirt that says: "K@|=|=irs stay away - Or I'll shoot" - using the same arguement.
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