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ANiMOSiTY
Thought I'd stir a bit!
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Heir_of_Isildur
I prefer opel, it just feels younger than VW (VW is for old people), I think that's how they market them anyways.

maybe it's just because I drive an Opel.
ANiMOSiTY
Me 2! I'm loving my Opel.
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DocterMoo's Corsa = sexy.gif and it's so kewl to drive, and how damn seksy is the Astra?

Opel owns.



OPEL FTW!!
Cale
Same here, i get the exact same impression. Every time i see a Jetta or the like i think to myself, midlife crisis. biggrin.gif

maybe because i also drive an opel.. lmao
blood105
you guys are such fanboys sad.gif

i prefer volkswagen
i don't drive one but i think volkswagens have more soul than opels
Heir_of_Isildur
Who needs soul in a car?

I need sex appeal in my car thank you very much.
ANiMOSiTY
For those who are interested...
This is my pride and joy.

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Heir_of_Isildur
Nice...

unfortunately you captured the 'other' Opel in the second pic, LOL

Here's the lovely Astra toasted mentioned...

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docmoo
./.

I would sell my corsa to try and get an astra, too bad i am poor ':(
Heir_of_Isildur
Yip, a new Astra 1.8 16V ECOTEC A/T 4 Speed = R 193,910.00

a touch too steep.

Hopefully no one ever falls for the R922 though (Corsa Lite), that's a bum deal - no matter how the Raj's put it.
ANiMOSiTY
I have some better pics at home tongue.gif

Ya the New Astra (MK5 / Astra H) is a stunner hey!
Has anybody driven one?
Feels like a BMW.

The new OPC is arriving soon!
177kW 2.0L 16v Turbo.
3 Door.
Heir_of_Isildur
OPC?
StanDarsh
Wait until it comes to sell that Opel of yours and then tell me which is better. Resale, parts, servicing, and new prices of VWs are far better than Opel. The build quality is far superior throughout the ranges as well.
Heir_of_Isildur
That's why you drive it into the ground and never have to resell.

I do however disagree.

On Topcar recently, they showed the results of a survey asking people when last they had a 'niggle' on their car or any reason to 'take it in'.

The results showed that VW were worst (having regular problems)
Most of the German vehicles were pretty bad... but the manufactureres that performed best in the survey:

All Japanese - Toyota, Daewoo, Nissan, Mazda... so the difference between the Opel and VW (i.t.o build quality) is less than when compared to the Nip cars.
JuCa
VW has a great looking line up though...nm the Jetta, I just love last years Passat (the new one is meh) and the new polo and golf look hot aswell.
ANiMOSiTY
OPC = Opel Performance Centre

I'll post some pics or the old one and the new one...

Opel Monza/Kadett T-Cars (Like that white one in the pic of my car), and SuperBoss's did have low build quality.
But the new ones are on-par with the best of the German cars.
ANiMOSiTY
Old OPC
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New OPC
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Heir_of_Isildur
WOW

well there you go, Opel is sexy and sleek...

177kW? that's packing
capn
I would rather have a Golf GTI personally.
KL35K88
Ha ha - I leveled the score...

VW for the win!! punk.gif

drool.gif VW GTI drool.gif
Wolf
I dont like either, but:
VW is cheaper to maintain than Opel, but Opel has the looks and performance
ANiMOSiTY
The OPC will milk a Golf 5 GTi.
And the interior is just as nice, if not nicer...

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Cale
oh my lord... that is one SWEET cockpit....

THE SAiNT
I prefer Opel mainly because it looks better. I drive one myself.
VW is too box shaped for me...

Adieu
naughty
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The OPC will milk a Golf 5 GTi.


OH, OK - compare it to a golf 5 R32 and see what happens

whilst i can agree that opel makes a nice product why is just not in the running in terms of sales figures and resale value as stated above - vw may have niggles but it outsells everyone in terms of totals per month ........ and yes i know that the corrola/runx range is best seller as an individual range - but look at polo/citigolf/golf/jetta and see the totals

sales figures are what have the final say - not what an obscure group of people on the internet have to say tongue.gif whistling.gif renske.gif

BTW while you comparing interiors - heres the R32 interior with the seats

SEATS
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INTERIOR
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PS REMEMBER THAT PICTURES DONT TELL THE WHOLE STORY
Heir_of_Isildur
Whatever tongue.gif

it's just because there are lots of middle-aged buyers dominating the sales.

if every 20 something year old could afford Opel, they'd go for it!
ANiMOSiTY
naughty, What you are forgetting is that Joburg is very high, and naturally aspirated engines siffer up here a great deal more than turboed engines.

The new R32 makes around 6BHP more than the Opel, but is naturally aspirated, therefore up here it will loose a lot more power than the Turbocharged Opel, making it slower anyway.
And its heavier.


And in my opinion, the new OPC interior is better looking than the Golf 5 R32....
Filthy
Im going with Opel aswell. I love my Corsa GSI (2001). Much better looking than the Velocitys and the rest of the same price bracket VWs. With the few mods that ive done (branch, filter, chip) im getting more power atw than the 1.6i golfs that have had the same mods and headwork done (cams, gas flow etc)

So, Opel for me smile.gif
toasted
OMG IT'S TIED?!!?!


COME ON, OPEL FTW!!! mf_popcorn1.gif
W@RP@T}{
boxing.gif My BABY not my wishful thinking I wish I had one of those.

One Sexy Beast IMO

Heir_of_Isildur
Now you see that's just not sexy - IMO...

The Opel's are sleek and sexy.
naughty
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it's just because there are lots of middle-aged buyers dominating the sales


now thats a real "reach" if i ever saw one tongue.gif

what are you trying to say ?????? that the manufacturers who target the younger guys will always lose - then why target the younger guys at all in that case

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And in my opinion, the new OPC interior is better looking than the Golf 5 R32....


well yeah thats a subjective matter - i dont dislike the opel interior but i actually dont really like either - im overdue to buy a topnotch car and im considering the golf but the jury is still in with the verdict

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naughty, What you are forgetting is that Joburg is very high, and naturally aspirated engines siffer up here a great deal more than turboed engines.


speed does not matter to me - i think that most fast drivers are irresponsible zotties and a waste of a drivers licence anyway so im not wanting to buy it for speed or anything - i want to go from place a to place b in style and class - thats why my other choice is a merc
StanDarsh
HA! 10-9 to the veedubs!
ANiMOSiTY
QUOTE(naughty @ Oct 27 2005, 05:47 AM)
speed does not matter to me - i think that most fast drivers are irresponsible zotties and a waste of a drivers licence anyway so im not wanting to buy it for speed or anything - i want to go from place a to place b in style and class - thats why my other choice is a merc
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Touche naughty! cool.gif
Cale
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irresponsible zotties


RACIST!!! shuriken.gif ~ giggles and runs away ~

anyways back to topic..

Wheels24 Quote. Synovate quality awards.

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Entry segment:
The big selling Toyota Tazz and Opel Corsa both won Synovate quality awards this year. However, the Chevrolet Spark, included in this segment for the first time, roared into a tie with the Tazz for first place.

Opel 1 : VW 0

Small Hatch:
Change was quite dramatic in this segment, with none of the previous award winners still in the top three. The Ford Fiesta, Toyota RunX and Opel Corsa lost their podium spots, with the Honda Jazz a deserved winner with a very low problem count. The Chevrolet Aveo 5-dr and Nissan Micra 1.4 also entered the top three, tied for second position.

Top Hatch:
The BMW 3-Series Compact remained the only constant in the Top Hatch segment as the Mercedes-Benz A-Class and Audi A3 TDi battled against the positive results produced by the much-improved MINI Cooper (tied with the BMW 3-Series Compact for first place) and the incoming Honda Civic Hatch (placed second).

Small Sedan:
In contrast with the other segments, no change was reported for the small sedan segment. Toyota set the standard with the Corolla 140i, while the VW Polo Classic and Opel Corsa Classic battled each other and ended in joint second place.

Tied Opel 1 1/2= VW 1/2

Top Sedan:
The bigger engined Toyota Corolla again maintained a top three position, but with slightly more problems, it could not match the quality of the Ford Focus (previous model). The newly included Honda Civic Sedan entered the ranking, thereby ousting the Chrysler Neon from the awards ranking.

Medium:
The BMW 3-Series Diesel again produced a very low problem count, sufficient to propel it from second place in 2004, to first in 2005. The Audi A4 was again amongst the award winners in the segment, but last year's third place winner, the BMW 3-Series Petrol was ousted by the improved Volvo S60 - which tied with Audi for second place.

Top Exec:
Without the volume of the smaller segments, it is traditionally difficult to include reliable data on a broad spectrum of models in this segment, as there simply are not enough buyers. While their brand leaders are not included, Mercedes-Benz and BMW led the segment with the E-Class and 5-Series (tied in first position). The Audi A6, reporting a significantly improved problem count, held on to the third place once again.

Sports/Coupe:
The German luxury brands continued their domination of the Coupe segment. However, whereas 2004 saw all three top spots being taken by Mercedes-Benz models, the BMW 3-Series Cabriolet's improvements were rewarded by a joint first position with the C-Class Coupe in 2005. The CLK was also in the ranks of the award winners.

Small SUVs:
The Toyota RAV4 managed to hold onto the top position in this segment, although this model was under threat from the significantly improved Nissan X-Trail. The X-Trail moved from third to second as a result of this improvement, with the only other change being the subsequent movement of the Mitsubishi Pajero 3-door from second to third.

Large SUVs:
Improvements in the Toyota Prado were very notable, in fact almost half of what they were in 2004. It is therefore not very surprising to find the model in first place - although this was along with the Mitsubishi Pajero 5-door and BMW X5. The movement of the Prado up the ranks saw the Mercedes-Benz M-Class moving out of award contention for the moment.

MPV:
The top-notch quality of the Audi A4 Avant continued unopposed in the MPV segment. However, in place of the Chrysler Grand Voyager and VW Golf Estate of 2004's survey, we now see the popular Renault Scenic and more niche-oriented Chrysler PT Cruiser achieving award status in this diverse segment.

Light Commercials:
Consisting of one-ton and half-ton pick-ups, saw Toyota once again taking first position amongst the local plants. Ford and Mazda maintained their second position, but were now matched by the General Motors brands, thereby dethroning Mitsubishi.

Within the petrol one-tonners, the Toyota Hilux's (a combination of the new and old model) quality again earned it the top position, and Nissan remained a strong contender in second with the Hardbody. However, the Colt no longer tied with Nissan for second, with the Isuzu one-tonner now taking its place in joint second position.

The diesel segment remained quite consistent. The only minor change was that the diesel Hilux had stepped up from joint second position with the Hardbody to now hold joint first position with the Ford Ranger.

Another noteworthy point was that the average quality in the diesel segment was not substantially behind that of the petrol segment - many of the models, including the Hilux, KB Series and Hardbody, report very similar counts across their petrol and diesel engined derivatives.

The Half-Ton pick-ups also remained largely unchanged. The Corsa topped the list, while the Caddy and Bantam jointly held second place - as was the case last year.

OPEL 2 1/2 VW 1/2...

Notice how many corsa bakkies are on the road?? Now that is consumer power...



One wonders why VW is not featuring on this list especially since they pride themselves on ... quality and build ..... ermm.gif
Heir_of_Isildur
QUOTE(naughty @ 27 Oct 2005 @ 05:47 AM)
what are you trying to say ?????? that the manufacturers who target the younger guys will always lose - then why target the younger guys at all in that case


well I suppose it depends on how you look at it.

Just because a manufacturer sells more than another, does it make that coprporation the best? Microsoft sells heaps, does it make it better than xxx?
Heir_of_Isildur
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Notice how many corsa bakkies are on the road?? Now that is consumer power...


The less said about those - the better.

LOL, the zotties got me too
INcin
I was shopping for my first car about a year ago. I wanted a '97-'98 Astra but all the second hand ones I drove felt like they had done 300000km not 100000km as the odometer said. After test driving 3 of them I decided I should consider something else.

I saw a Golf 3 for sale, I went to test drive it and at 130000km it felt like new, everything was so smooth! The next day I bought it and since then I've had no trouble except for a window mechanism that needed to be replaced for R800.

Even though I think the Golf 5's looks arent great compared to the new astra, I would choose the Golf because I know it will be reliable and have a good resale value.



W@RP@T}{
^^ AMEN to that, my dad was in the motor industry for 15 years. Opel are known for pratically falling apart at 120 000 KM's
Cale
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Opel are known for pratically falling apart at 120 000 KM's


Excuse me?

I have owned 3 seperate Opel models through the years, which includes a 1991 Opel Kadett sold at 210,000 kms, an Opel Astra 1.6ie sold at just over 200,000 km's and now a Opel Corsa Classic 1.6 currently on just over 100,000 ( new model ). They all ran exceptionally smoothly and I had next to no trouble with any of them.

That only includes my own cars. I know of at least 10 other Opels from friends and family that hasnt given them an iota of trouble.

I am really impressed with my Corsa, it has great handling, a great turn of pace and a huge spec list, it has everything except ABS, but then again ABS is for g*ys right??

@INcin It all depends on personal experiences with a certain car or model.

Funny nobody has mentioned my previous post shuriken.gif

rurounikenshin
These pics should end the debate...

A "sleek sexy" BROKEN slopel being towed by a "boxy" RELIABLE golf MK1!

Lucky the slopel driver knew he could rely on his mate golf 'eh?

Sorry but I have and always will be a fan of VW!!!

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Aus liebe zum automobil! Volkswagon!
Heir_of_Isildur
Oh, you really got us there... *Pfffft*

I'm sure that vollas have even towed Ferraris and who gives a damn.

But stop showing pictures of that corsa van tongue.gif

@Cale - yeah buddy show them the facts smile.gif
naughty
yo guys - how can you say zotties is a racist word - i use it to classify an idiot - and to me and my friends thats what its always been with no reference to creed or colour or nationality

in fact to me calling a person a zot is like saying that they are an idiot - and the real racists are the ones who think it denotes a racist remark - really since ive never heard it being used in a racist context especially here in durban

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Funny nobody has mentioned my previous post   shuriken.gif


well guy i know what you are reffering to the shuriken.gif gave it away - see above for my reply and realistically no-one has any call to be here everyday anymore since i dont want to see three or four replies only per visit here thus im away most of the time and cannot reply to every stupid accusation thrown at me

if you feel the need to call somone racist for something as broad as that then feel free and say whatever floats your boat but it doesnt bother me at all

and coming back on topic who is wheels 24 as compared to the NAAMSA figures - say what you like on subjective awards from nonentity internet sites - those are not the facts that matter - sales figures are the bottom line

BTW im no opel hater - i actually think that the corsa GSi is a cute car but im not in the market for a car like that and i dont prefer the astra over other alternatives and i have my own reasons for liking vw's
Cale
Here we go again, Naughty going off on a tangent just like last time.. IT WAS A JOKE for crying out loud! Surely you didnt think I was being serious?

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and coming back on topic who is wheels 24 as compared to the NAAMSA figures - say what you like on subjective awards from nonentity internet sites - those are not the facts that matter - sales figures are the bottom line


Read This

I honestly dont see how you can disregard something like this, or is it just sour grapes huh?

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Funny nobody has mentioned my previous post


People generally disregard my posts, but then again i should be honoured shouldnt I?
naughty
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Here we go again, Naughty going off on a tangent just like last time.. IT WAS A JOKE for crying out loud! Surely you didnt think I was being serious


FFS - HTF can you say i am going off on a tangent - it was you who called me a racist - you wanna call that a fucking joke - think again wiseboy (or is that otherwise then ?????????)

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or is it just sour grapes huh


man - now the pot calls the kettle black - and im sure you gonna label that as a racist remark

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People generally disregard my posts, but then again i should be honoured shouldnt I?


reread all of your posts and you wont be left wondering why for very long - in fact if you continue with that attitude that you have and people will continue to disregard your posts altogether - in fact im totally going to from now on
ANiMOSiTY
I must disagree with the statement of "Opels fall apart at the 120 000KM mark".

My ex 1994 Kadett 140 S, was driven HARD every day, ramped over speed-bumps, wheelspun and just generally raped daily.
No rev limiter. 8000RPM at times.

And it still runs perfectly!
Actually in the last week I had it, I ran againsed a 1.4i VeloCITI and it was dead even... Not bad for a 180000KM carburetted 1994 Opel vs a brand new 1.4i golf.

But anyway, each to his own...
Cale
( at )naughty.

Whatever.

Animosity, isnt the golf 1.4 also carburetted?
ANiMOSiTY
Nope. Not the new 1.4i VeloCITI.
W@RP@T}{
QUOTE(ANiMOSiTY @ Oct 28 2005, 09:15 AM)
I must disagree with the statement of "Opels fall apart at the 120 000KM mark".

My ex 1994 Kadett 140 S, was driven HARD every day, ramped over speed-bumps, wheelspun and just generally raped daily.
No rev limiter. 8000RPM at times.

And it still runs perfectly!
Actually in the last week I had it, I ran againsed a 1.4i VeloCITI and it was dead even... Not bad for a 180000KM carburetted 1994 Opel vs a brand new 1.4i golf.

But anyway, each to his own...
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Dude that just killed any respect.

A 1400 Carb car going to 8000RPM yea right LOL that must be the funniest thing i've read all week.

At the VW Golf V R32 VS OPC debate there is no question which one I would choose.

Even if the OPC was faster you can't compare. Once you have owned a V6 or V8 you will have a new found respect in their engines. I would take a slower V6 to a V4 anyday the sound the powercurve the smoothness etc. etc. etc. makes you feel like your driving a car with a proper engine not just a sewing machine engine that screams with revs etc. Even my 96KW 310nm torque 1.9TDI sportline is no match for the V6 and V8 I had.

Regarding quality even fully decked, leather, etc. etc. etc. kitted to my Polo you cant match it to a decent car. It's a boy racer.

I would take my Audi A4 2.8 Exec back anyday!!!!!!!! seriously!!!!! quality is double the little polo, astra, kadett or corsa etc. etc.

and then compare that with my last car and it feels like i'm driving a tin can, revs has ample power (beat a RunX RSI) very decent quality, comfortable etc. etc. etc. but just not in the same league.

I've also had a Opel 200I GSI Superboss, it was decent but I far preferred my Mazda 323 EGI as a fun hatch.

I have known of countless Opels that struggle after the 120000km mark. yes you will get the odd one that will surprise but I guarantee there are 10 VW Golfs, Toyota's, mazda's to every 1 Opel that went the distance. My sisters RSI 16V Twincam had over 300000KM's my Mazda had 250000KM's on it and was never ever serviced since the 140000KM mark when I got it. Strongest motor i've ever seen.



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