In light of the Sex on the 1st Date thread and some searching the board regarding this ( http://www.net-forums.net/forums/Homosexua...iage-t5943.html ) I thought it may be interesting to start this poll, since I am quite intrigued.

Just to get some thinking going...

I personally don't have anything against "gay" marriages. If two people love each so much that they want to spend their lives together, let them. None of us here are truly in a position to judge them by their lifestyle or sexual orientation.

Oh come on i cant believe people vote yes on this one.

I think they just want to start an argument or they are butt fuckers themselves.

Like I said, we are in absolutely no position to judge whether or not same-sex marriages are right or wrong. My philosophy on this matter is that something is not a problem, unless you make it one. There have been "gays" around for a long time, and by the looks of things they aren't going anywhere. So we can basically accept these people and get a long with them, like we do with any other person.

As for the people who are going to make this a religious thing remember this: no sin is greater than another.

Re Gay marrage: Hell Yes! Anything else is bigotry and descrimination. I'm suprized it has taken this long to be legalized.


Why not? I think we all understand the basic idea.

Loadhigh, there is no point in insulting people, this is a friendly debate and people are allowed to have their own opinions. Just shows what type of person u r making a comment like that.

I don't have anything against it as they were born that way and din't have much of a choice to wether theyre gay or not. There is no use seperating them from the rest of society.

Yes dude, i am a person who doesn't like faggots. Everybody listen up: " I Dont Like Homosexuals" .



I wouldn't even try and bring up the issue of religion because some people dont like it, but i will say one thing each and every person wether they like it or not depends on religion each and every day of theyr'e life. If there was never any religion our society would collapse as it would be okay to steal, kill, murder, rape yada yada.

It is also very easy to say there is nothing wrong with homosexuality if you never question the media or hollywood. The homosexuals work for the media and they brainwash you into thinking theres nothing wrong with it. How? It's simple they put funny gay people into TV shows, and when you start to laugh, you start to lower your defences until one day you think to yourself "ah, those gays are alright by me."

Call me crazy, say i am intolerant, tell people i am a homophobe, I dont care. In my heart and my mind I know it's wrong. I am not going out into the streets to stone them but what kind of example are you setting for future generations. If everyone in society started marrying people of the same sex the world would have no future. If gay marriage is allowed it will just be one more thing to contribute to the moral breakdown of society. No one is born homosexual, they just get confused, growing up. Legalizing gay marriage will only confuse our children more.

If you like gay people good for you, but one day it will turn on you. Okay one day the fact that i dont like faggots will turn on me too, maybe but i will feel no remorse

I have no prob with u not liking gays, its your choice, just don't call the people who don't mind it being leagal, butt fukers or asume they are themselves gay, just because they have they don't have a problem with it. That's what I mean by what kind of person you are. A person who doesn't like something and think anyone else with a different opinion is an idiot and should not be allowed to have his own opinion!

Faggots, buttfuckers!? It's words like this that go to show that any ban on gay marriges would be based on malicious intent rather than some moral highground.


Good, this is an issue for the goverment, and therefor affects people of all religions, so religion *cannot* be an used as a motivating factor without descriminating against people of a different religion.


Do you only refrain from killing raping yadda yadda because piss scared of some supernatural father figure!? What sort of person does that make you?

Baseing ones moral code on some anchient mythology is a really stupid idea, for example in the (traditional) jewish/christian/muslim religions, it is perfectly moral to kill someone of a different religion (though shalt no kill only commandment number 3 remember) What king of morrality is that!? Notice all the pain and suffering it has lead to (iraq, palestine,the ruwandan genocide, WW2, the crusades, the spanish inquesition, etc. etc. etc.)

I society certainly wouldn't collapse without religion, i think we may ever been allot better off if it wasn't an issue. Why? Because religion to me always seems to be a breeding ground for bigots fanatics and sheep.


They also put gay people into the world, and then you meet them and you reilize that they arn't nearly as evil as everyone makes out. Oh My god it must be a conspiracy!
I'll admit that there is some brainwashing going on, how else could you have such strong negative views agains a groups of people who you have probably never associated with. But I suspect it is religion institutions and a vocal minority of homophobes who are to blame rather than "the media".


Your a crazy intolerent homophobe!
Denying them the right to marrage is just one or two steps short of stoning them.


So allowing gay marriges is going to turn every one into homosexuals? if that is true, why isn't every one a hetrosexual (after many hundreds of years of only hetrosexual marriges being allowed).
Notice your immediate assumption that homosexuality is evil and amorral! Stop taking your morality from a religious textbook and start thinking for yourself!


You will feel no remorse for you bigtry, prejudice and hatred? Dude! listen to what you are saying!
Respecting the rights of gay people will turn on me? How? Please provide a plausable example.

Heres an interesting excersize: go re-read your post but replace all the "faggots" and "butfuckers" with "niggers".

wake up, this is the fight club.

what i dont understand is who is the mommy and who is the daddy in a gay marriage, and how do they go about having children? do they have seperate bachelor parties? who is the bride and who is the groom at the wedding ceremony? so many questions....
gay marriage just sounds too complicated.

This is fight club, FIGHT! Just dont let it get too out of hand

As for gay marriages, they were born like that, I find it quite acceptable, so long as they dont adopt children as it puts the child in a bad position

Most gay couples who want children would probably adopt a child. That in my opinion is very unfair to a child. To put a child through all the horror of always being teased and seperated from the rest of the children because his fathers are gay. If you've been to a school lately you would probably know that people who are seen as gay and this will also include people with gay parents will never or very seldomly have any friends. Just imagine the pain a child has to go through if this were the case. Gay couples can't have children themselves and should not be allowed to have children either.

This is just plain stupid. Surely every kid can get mocked in school no matter if there parents are gay or not. The only reason why these kids get mocked more is because of our society which seems to think that 'gays' are evil and should all instantly die of AIDS or something. I have nothing against gays or lesbians (and no not for my personal pleasures). My auntie is lesbian for 6 - 7 years now. In the beginning it is just adapting to it but she is happy, her gf is happy and they have three kids (Out of marriages before). Are the kids unhappy? Nope they are not, please note though that this is in Europe. Maybe it is good to see that they make marriage between the same sex legal (Did they actually in SA?) so the whole taboo around it can go away. They are also just people and they are perfectly normal, just give them a chance to get to know them. The gay people I know are absolutly funny (and not because they act like girls), intelligent, sharp, etc etc.

The adoption thing is weird yes but these couples can give just the same loving as a regular mommy and daddy, maybe even more so. Thank god for people like these who give kids a chance to roll into the 'normal' society instead of spending their life in a institution hoping for someone to come by to give them a normal life again.

The only reason why it is 'weird' is because 'society' says so...grow up people!

marriage is a religious thing. what do gay people get out of being married? i dont understand the point.

Probably the whole commitment thing around marriage. Personally I think marriage overrated anyway but it has to do with being the same as everyone. Showing that two guys or two girls can also do the same things as heterosexual couples. Also showing the world ur commitment I guess. Marriage is more of general thing people have accepted as normal anyway. Who really marries for god or any religion?

they want to get married so that they can get the same social benefits and rights as married couples do. and have the right to claim life insurance if a 'spouse' (or whatever gay couples call each other) dies. thats why all they want to get is a civil marriage.

Juca, I have nothing against it personally, I just think it would be unfair towards children to be singled out like that. I know how it feels to be the odd one out. But I suppose if more gay couples get children, it would become a normal thing and the problem should sort itself out.

There really needs to be a, 'Dont care' option, cos if a gay couple wants to complicate and ruin their relationship by legally binding themselves to one another with reams and reams of red tape... welll thats no business of mine and I couldn't care less if it was.

Good one.

Personally I do not like it. This forum is the proof of the world's moral decay and it will only get worse.

I have no problem with homosexual people themselves, but to say more will probably sound bad.

Let me just say this: Two dongs don't make a right. (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

huh? explain...

Moral decay? Because some of us here can think for ourselves, allow ourselves to have opinions not based off some antiquated system, because some of us believe all people should be treated equally? You call that moral decay?

Morally, In Christian and probably most other reliogions, homosexuality is seen as wrong, morally wrong. There was a time when most people would have agreed, but morals are being pushed back and step by step more and more morally wrong things are being accepted and not questioned. Thus moral decay.

The morals of most people today are not the same as the morals of yesterday(years ago). It will get worse because we saw it happen in the past, Rome anyone? It is like a rubber band. Keep streching it and it will loose elasticity and become bigger. Do it more and eventually it will break.

RevQ, I love the fact that everyone can have and state their own opinion, that is what makes the times we live in wonderful. No fear of being burned as a witch and you have all te right to say and believe what you want. I see this as proof because what was morally right is not upheld any more, not the fact that people can say what they want. This is not an issue of opinion or thinking for yourself, but wehter homosexual people should be able to marry.

It must be horrible to love someone and be ashamed to show it and act apon it. It must really be the worst because we are beings with great capacity for love. I'm sure you get wonderfull and horible gay people, just like you get wonderfull and horible straight people, were all people who want to live our lives. I just do not like the idea of Homosexual mariages because of my faith. It clearly states that it is wrong.

(Note: It is possible that I am wrong. We all make mistakes and I'll be one of the first to admit that.)

Since when did sex before mariage become acceptable? After Hollywood started making movies about it and started showing more and more detail. In the past you would have been called a slut for doing the deed outside marriage. People's moral standards have started to drop since Hollywood (and not only Hollywood) started "making it OK" to do it. After most of the public accepted sex before marriage as right, gays started to appear and at first at was wrong until the media made it OK to be gay and confused more people into becoming gay!
You are not born gay, it is a choice just as most of the stuff you do in life is a choice! You can not choose your family, what you make with the rest of your life is choice! It would bw wrong to judge gays, but still doesn't make being gay right.

In response to the sex outside the marriage, I am sure that all along (Before Hollywood even made it more open) there was a thing like try-before-you-buy. It just wasn't as open as it is today. Back then they did it but they weren't allowed to say it or whatever. Now it is the normal thing to do (and I agree) so there you go..the taboo is broken...

whether we believe in God or not, nor trying to use our feeble intellects to rationalize our stances wont make the fact that the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah happened, go away. There's a little hint for those who believe homosexuality etc is ok.

And yes, popular television and cinema has numbed us to what was previously morally reprehensible

whether we believe in God or not, nor trying to use our feeble intellects to rationalize our stances wont make the fact that the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah happened, go away. There's a little hint for those who believe homosexuality etc is ok.

And yes, popular television and cinema has numbed us to what was previously morally reprehensible.

But i guess this is what happens when we no longer have a universally accepted benchmark for truth and righteousness.

I'm afraid homosexulality has been around allot longer than Hollywood, Just think of Anchient Greece or Soddom and Gamorah. I'm sure its has been around allot longer even than marrage (who invented marrage anyways?)


It is very important to rationalize our stances how else do we know whether or not our stances are moral?

As for S&G I think we need allot more evidence of the link between their homosexual activity and their destruction before we use them as an excuse to descriminate against people.

Side note: *feeble* intelects!? Compared to what? I understand the need to be modest, but let's not sell ourselves short!


I'd don't think we ever had one, and probably never will.

Allthough I suppose you could consider the survival of the species to be a universal benchmark for righteousness. (?)
As for Truth, forget it, there is nothing that can be said to be true. well nothing I can think of at least

Oh, yes! What we absolutely need is a benchmark of morality based on the principles that all of mankind knows to be good and right based on knowledge that we know to be absolute and void of personal human interference.

What's that? We've never had one of those?

Oh. Right.

Honestly I dont see a big deal here...all the "freedom of expression" yada yada rules...bleh...its just a symbol of two beings being joined with a couple of rings and better tax exemptions + reason for strife when they cheat on each other later in life. So by all means pass the law get it over with and lets see if we can raise the next big issue: Feeding the homeless before they rob our asses.

Good one.

I guess you and Vorster and Verwoerd would've got on like a house on fire.....

I Apologise for calling people with a different opinion to mine, Butt fuckers. I was a bit shocked that anyone would say that there was nothing wrong with gay marriage. I have always surrounded myself with intellectual people who shared the same moral values as mine own so i was really shocked.

To get back to the issue at hand even if these people are allowed to be married they should not be allowed to adopt children. When i was at varsity there was a first year student who was moving into the hostel. One of my friends met his mother and then asked the kid where his father was, to which a another women replied I am his father. Yes the kids mother was a homosexual. I have to feel sorry for this kid. No one teased him to his face, but everyone laughed at him behind his back because he walked like a women, he wore pink T-shirts (not since the 80's as any man been so bold), and spoke like a women. He read Mills and Boon books in his spare time. He didn't know how to play cricket or rugby. I am not making this up, even though the guy had two mothers I still treated him like i did everyone else. I dont know if he was gay but you can certainly see that most people would think so.

How can you not see a crime in that?

If the kid is a screwup...then he'll fit perfectly into our society. Look not everyone is a good parent...some turn their kids into weirdos, fuck them in the ass or turn them into Net forum members(you may raise your hands).A crime where bad parenting shines through.
But if this is the case where are the social workers that rescue these kids? Or is this another "Psst they're you know different we have to treat them different" ...wasn't there a equal rights for all march somewhere?
But I've met kids that are way smarter than me...Avril elizabeth home for the mentally challenged among the places...that came from same sex relationships. They still fight with dolls...action figures, curse swear and dress normal. And dont put this down under no man/women in family = wimp. Whatever happened to single moms or dads?
but lets not get off topic.

EDIT: Before I forget...how many of you that oppose this topic like to watch lesbian porn? Just a thought...

Me! haha no. Seriously though, that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
The only fascination a male might have is a 3some (we getting off topic a bit), otherwise we wudnt be interested (I think it's about having that which we cannot have).

But getting back to gay marriages. I hate gay people, some more than others. I dont mind gay people who dont act like drag queens. But as for gay marriages. Who actually cares. As long as they dont want kids, coz then its wrong. Messing with kids minds is a big NO. Imagine 100 years from now everyone is gay, thats just fucktup (or maybe paranoid) but the way we going its heading there..

And u say that its wrong to hate people.. well. The fact is the majority of gay people hate the opposite sex (especially women). I once read somewhere that this lesbian chick wished that all men were turned into wooden statues. WTF.

No, infact I hate lesbians..

So what does this imply? That people who don't have a problem with gays are less intellectual? This has nothing to do with ur intellectual but more with your own values (which you can have anytime). Anyway...back to the topic!

The answer lies in the constitution. Keep your bibles or whatever fiction your read out this.

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only if both chicks are hot

Hehe, rather not

What!!? I wear pink shirts all the time!! I certainly hope it isn't a crime...

I really can't see the problem with gay couples adopting. (even if thier children do grow up to have a poor fashion sense) Growing up in a loving family will allways be preferable to growing up as an orphan.

With such a large number of children being orphaned due to AIDS, Gay couples should be encoraged to adopt (allong with everyone else). The adoption could very well mean that the kid will grows up to be a productive member of society rather than a crimminal. And I would much rather be surrounded by people wearing pink T-shirts than murderers rapists thugs and thieves.

It's not pink! It's salmon!


Valid point, that. Have any trials of this sort of adoption been conducted?

In a gay marriage if the addopted child walks into Daddies or mommies room (while doing you know what), he/she would either be really scarred or really turned on and verry scarred.

Seriously, giving children homes to live in is probably better than living in those orphaniges(spelling?). Maybe if the child is given the choise: live with mommy and mommy or daddy and daddy or stay in there?

Tough one.

Only to the fashion police,our eyes,our sense of taste,the atmosphere,the ZAR - $ exchange...



Not more than sleeping on the bed while they're doing it...Example A - ME. I turned out fine....................
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Stop laughing.

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OK, but it's hard to.

Dude! WTF?

Here is a more serious question. If gay marriages are allowed, what stops brother/sister mariages or brother/brother or sister sister mariages? What is the difference? 20 years down the line? Less? Only a matter of time.

There is a relevant article in the previous-to-latest Time magazine (with the XBox 360 article) which details research into gay men's reaction to male pheromones. The findings suggest that gay men actually do have physical differences to heterosexual men. It certainly changed my opinion on the subject as I had always believed that homosexuality was a choice. If it is the case that homosexual people are like that from birth, then they deserve equal treatment.

I still stand by my previous assertion that marriage is not the right word for a homosexual legal union.

I asked google google said yes!
http://www.contemporaryfamilies.org/media/news%20102.htm


Is this really an issue? Even if someone has chosen to be a homosexual rather than being born into it, we still have no right to marginalise them for it.

I could understand the relevance if homosexuality was something "evil" or "wrong" Like a disease you are born with as opposed to a crime you have willingly commited. But I have yet to be convinced that there is anything "wrong" with homosexuality.


Gay marrages are between two unrelated people of the same sex, brother/sister marrages are between two siblings
I'm afraid I really don't see the connection between the two.
And anyway, if a brother and sister want to get married why should we stop them? Their marrage won't hurt anyone and it will make them happy.

The connection is that both were seen as evil or bad some years back and would not even be up for debate. Today one is almost accepted, but your answer suggests that nothing seems to bother you. Must be fun, I envy that in a way, not to be bothered by anything. If I am wrong, I apologize, I do not know you.

I agree to most of what MjrMua has to say.

What two people decide to do, without harming anyone else, is their prerogative. It has nothing to do with anyone else, what ever their belief is.

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You are right it is their business, not ours, but when they want to get married and let us know about it it becomes our business. They could have gone along and enjoyed what they had, but they had to make a fuss. So now other people will make a fuss.

So what if they tell people. You forget this is a free country. It still has nothing to do with you whether you are made aware of the mariage or not.

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