I am an athiest, there is no god.

What burns me is people using their religion, their belief in a god to justify their discrimination and animosity towards a people based on some moral crud they were sent by some ray of light or however the supreme being keeps in contact.

END!

I disagree with that. I believe that people can influence you as to your beliefs, it all comes down to there powers of persuasion and the strength of your will, but do agree that it is ultimately your own decision.

I have not read every post here, but read a few of them Can not remember who said that 70% of the people voted yes, but.... maybe it is because they are too scared.

Well I am a Christian, and I believe in God. I do not believe that I have to say why I believe in God. I just think this hs a Topic where people who do not believe in God, or anything(athiests) will pobt here more as dhey have something to "profe". Why mubt I come and say there is a God because of this and that. I havd faith that thebe is a God, and I believe in God with all my heart. Things have happend in my lhfe which just sdrengthen my beliefs, but I will not go in to that.

Jtst my 2cents worth.

biaos

I am taking a shot in the dark here, but were you a Catholic?

What you have said three about "thou shalt not doubt", that is what gets me about certain Christians. We were given the ability to have choice and thus have doubt. I believe that God wants us to ask questions, as he wants us to get the answers. He wants people to discuss the word of the bible! How else is the word of the bible meant to be spread?

Do not get me wrong, I am not trying to convert you back to being a Christian, just saying that you are not the only person who had/has doubts.

You need to STFU about things you obviously know nothing about. If anyone has anything to prove, its been the fanatics who came here to flame in previous religeous threads.

I will not STFU unless I feel like doing so. Notice how I said "I THINK", that is my personal oppinion, and I spose yours is that I know nothing. So what.



Did I hit a nerve? So fanatics came here to post in previous religious Threads. Where are they now, are they flaming? Who is the majority of the people posting here? What are the percentages of the votes? I think your argument is not valid ATM on this specific thread. Maybe it will change?

peace

You aren't very different to those people who get you all burned up. I mean, all this is coming from someone who wants Religious holidays to be disbanded, because he feels that because he is an atheist, and that he is the source of all goodness in this world, he should get his way.

Firstly, its no opinion, its a fact: the religeion debate has been done to death, several times on this board and If anyone has had anything to prove, they have done so in an older thread.

So STFU.

Secondly no that fanatics are gone, because they lose any interest when everyone else gets bored with the 'OMG GOD!' threads and go back to more rational discussions, however we always experience the periodic wave of these morons.

I have just one question to those who don't believe in God? Has everything that is on earth just happened out of chance? How do you explain the order of things in the Universe? Surely there has to be somebody greater who did all this?

I'm a christian and believe that there is a God.

AIGHT!!

Hmmm... in the (Christian) Church I attend doubt is seen as a natural emotion that everyone has. It's never been a big deal. You doubt, you soul-search. And, usually, you regain your faith.

And there's a reason it's called "faith". Because you can not prove it. Otherwise we could just call it "fact", or "lies", as some would have it. So I don't see why the people who voted yes must suddenly start righteously defending their faith. In fact, some posters in this thread dread the believers coming out and defending their side.

There seems to be two schools of thought here: "They are scared, unsure of their belief, cowards." and "Those flaming retards are gonna show up any minute now....". So, do you want us to post, or not?

What about: "We've had enough of this topic, just like you". Ever thought of that?



Right back at'cha: What burns me is people using their lack of religion of justify their irresponsibility and lack of moral values.

I also feel very weary of a flamewar about religion. Thus this is my last post on the matter. Period. Flame away.

I'm sick of this morals crap.

From now on, refer to me as 'LoudHoward: Lord of Moral Depravity'.

I honestly don't care what religion people believe in, as long as they're good people. I don't discriminate between various religions. If I like you I like you and visa versa.

One thing that really irritates me is that becasue I consider myself an athiest many people I know try to force me to go on Christian camps and do other such activities - in other words trying to convert me or get me to see the light (excuse the pun). I respect people's beliefs and I will never say, "You stupid Christian, god sucks!" That's just plainly disrespectful. Mainly I keep to myself about my beliefs. It's supposed to be private after all is it not?

Yo Ziggy, I'm still not going to STFU.



I said it was my personal oppinion. Should I type it in big bold writing next time?

Anyways I have to agree with the following statement of cyberCLoWn:



adios

look into the field of deterministic chaos. then look into the field of fractals. then into some quantum field theory. then come back and tell me it is impossible that everything happened by chance

1) I need to shoot myself. Im a agreeing with BCR.

2)
whatever gets you hot and sweaty.

3)
Oh mother-fucker. Oh mother-fucking mother-fucker. Nobody does that okay? Nobody, child-molesting priest, Islamic dictator, American President, serial killer or street-variety athiest, actually believes that they are an imoral person. They all believe that their actions are good and justified.
Nobody wakes up and says, 'LOL I don't believe in God so Im gonna rape and kill.'

4)

Ninja-mo, Neo, Sadistic Lobotomy. These are three christians who I have respect for directly due to engaging them in debate about this very topic.

Kryptos, Giz. Two trolls who came here to tell everyone who disagreed with them in the slightest degree that they were wrong and headed for hell.

Im missing the scared and unsure ones you are talking about.

Hey Ziggy/All,

I went and thought about this last night, and I decided that I was not going to get in to any arguments with anyone. This should be a civil debate. I am sure we are all mature enough to tackle this topic in a decent manner, to listen to each point and then counter it if you so wish. I think it has been fairly civil up to now, and think we can keep it this way.

Any christian that starts flaming: Is that really the way to go. We are meant to love everyone, try to be as much like Jesus as we can. Does flaming portray this? There are decent ways to get your view across to anyone, and I PERSONALLY think that discussing the lord or a greater power will be so much better ifit is discussed maturely.

Anyway, just thought i would add another 2cents of my worth.

adios

It seems there are a lot of people on this board with real anger issues. Not naming any names here but sheesh ppl, I have yet to read a thread here that doesn't degenerate into flaming and name calling. Okay, maybe that's an exaggeration but the number of rude, selfish and plain ugly posts is disturbing. What ever happened to PLUR? (peace, love, unity, respect)

And I'm not just talking about Fight Club either.

My, don't we love stereotyping people.

I am a Roman Catholic and I believe in Christ. Why because I personally feel that it is good to have a glimmer of hope when times are tough. I used to be an Atheist but since becoming a Catholic I just feel happier in my life, knowing that somewhere someone cares and loves me.

Lets all just be civilised people and respect one another's belief rather than living in hatred.

btw cyberCLoWn and Jumba schweet avatars ;)

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Though IMHO I couldn't care anyless about religion. The problem lies when people
make a big issue about it or become extremists. In the end I think its something
you should decide on your own without bothing others with your doubts or trying
to force your believes upon someone else.

How is that possible? Do you know that part and parcel of atheism is active disbelief in God, not just some sort of apathetic nonchalance on the issue?

Subsequently, you are telling me that you used to believe that God did not exist, but now you believe he exists so that you can have some sort of faith shield? Could you not concede that you are merely looking for some sort of psychological protection from issues beyond your grasp? Are you not simply using God as the answer to the questions to which you yourself have no answer?

Do you know why you feel happier in your life since re-believing in God? I am interested to know. I have not had contact with someone who has gone from atheism to Catholicism before. It is, in my eyes, a rather strange thing.

Thanks nordic.



Just wondering... but since when has it become wrong (and considered unlogical) for people to change their minds? Rhetorical question.

I disagree. How do you activly disbelieve in God? Hold athiest rallies and hand out athiest pamphlets? There is a bunch in America who do that and who run counter-rallies to religeous gatherings.

Its pretty stupid and counter-productive if you ask me. They seem to be saying, 'Ohhh look at us, we don't believe in God, were COOL!' and that just annoys me, especially considering the events and personal choices that led me to my own desicion had nothing to do with show-boating or trying to convert anyone to my way of thought.

I don't really see how its impossible for an athiest to find religeon, any more than it is for a relegeous persion to become an athiest.

Hmm, a gaff.

Ziggy, I don't showboat atheism. I don't fool myself, there is nothing to showboat. As far as i am concerned, nothing is more ironic (moronic even?) than people who shirk religion and then strive to make atheism into some sort of congruent following.

Perhaps the phrase 'active disbelief' is misleading, I merely intended to emphasise that atheism is belief in no God, and that it is something which should be beyond reproach in the mind.

cyberCLoWn, I don't mind people who change their minds, but you cant change beliefs like you change pants. The 'belief in God' thing is arguably one of the more pivotal issues in any Christian life.

I am very different from bigots. The reason I oppose religious holidays is because we are a secular society and thus should not take preference to any religion.

Just incorporate religious days into a persons work package measured according a prescribed amendment to the labor law.

And who said anything about the source of all goodness? wtf are you on about?

END!

Years ago, I went throe difficult times, really s#!t times etc. I used to pray, beg, to god to change my situation. Days became weeks, weeks became months, you get the idea.

My situation became worse, I finally was so cross with god that I believed that there is no god at all. I used to curse people who spoke about god etc.

Then suddenly my life started to improve and I could not believe the improvement in my situation but I still did not believe in god.
Then my situation went down hill again, until I finally could not take it anymore so I gave up on life.

I had no will to live. Then someone told me about Christianity and I screamed at them, funny thing is I began to think about it. The weirdest thing was that most of the people I know started preaching it to me. I never ever spoke to these people before about religion or that my life was cr( at )p.

Then something in me changed I can't explain it but I had a will to live again. I put it down to religion so I started to pray and my life started to change again.

For the first time in my life I was/am happy. Even though things aren't 100% fine, I am very fortunate with what I have and I know everything happens for a reason.

Thats why I became a Roman Catholic

Does it really matter is people believe in God or a God? If they do, they do it merely because they feel that they need someone/something to whom they can relate, whom can help them with their burdens, and whom they can confide in, in the solice of their bedroom.

I feel that God exists, and at the same time doesn't. Seeing as gods come and go, I can only think of one thing, and that is that gods are created by people. People have to give power to a god for it to exist. So for you to say there is not god, is both true and untrue. What people fail torealise is, that they can control their own situations, and that they have all the power within them. But yet, they come together as a group, and focus all that power, wich then manifests into a "God".

I personally believe this. I don't know if any of this will make any sence to anybody here. But yes. For me there is no God. I control my life, and what happens in it. And I take care of my own problems and confide in myself to sort out these problems.

Now that post took some insight and raises some very intersesting possibilities if you believe in the whole "mind power" train of thought.

What you truly believe will manifest itself in you reality.

Another pointless topic.
It doesn't matter if you believe in god or not.
We believe only to satisfy our own existence.
There never was a point to religion but to keep the masses at bey.
Go for a week without reading your bible,Koran, etc and do not pray to any deity or god only for a week and you will see that everything still is the same.
The same goes for the atheists, just the other way around. Nothing!!!!

We created religion because there wasn't a form of government and the people needed to be controlled, this still seems the case today for some people, people feared the unknown and had to grasp to a religion for comfort and support and to justify why they are.

but then this is really pointless and people will debate it and so on and every few months a topic like this appears on some forum and we have the same story all over again.
Just a thought....

This is actually the third time that has happened now...

If you don't like the posts and find them irritating, why don't you just not read it.
Just a thought....

Twas it not for that which is in thine eyes pointless, thou wouldst have but nothing to keep thine inadequate mind occupied at 12:00 am.

What? The same? You sure?

What about my 72 virgins? They will still waiting to serve me, right?

You BAKA!!!
Your 72 virgins will still be there if you believe it to be so, but you must die for your religion or go out with a bang!
In the afterlife you won't have a physical body so all those physical pleasures from that 72 virgins will feel like nothing since your member didn't make it to the other world!

you hate these pointless topics.....yet you still post......

Hey, it's not my religion, I just like the idea of 72 virgins



Thanks, but if its all the same to you, I'm taking my member with me

Everyone tries to answer this question with their own beliefs in mind. So I will be no different. I have experimented and studied various beliefs for years. I spent five years of constant searching only to find myself masturbating in my bedroom late at night. Not on my hands and knees praying to any god/goddess. No one really knows the answers, and the truth is not "out there", but in here *touches chest*. Maybe tomorrow I'll wake up and all my socks will have turned pink. But that won't bother me. A wise man (that's me) once said: "Life's too short to have all the answers".

Wow, thanks for sharing.

Wolfstar ... what are you talking about?

Jesus don't ask him that I don't wanna know.

Struggling........ not......... to......... reply............

I dont "actively" disbelieve in god, just passionately... And while I would previously launched myself into this topic with great vigor (as those who remember me will know ), I have now realised that people who believe in god are irrational and the argument can never go anywhere but down.

guys... the greatest nations in the world are argueing over this and have been for hundreds of years... it can only go pear shaped.

If it bothers you so much find entertainment elsewhere.

Flicking through the Daily Express today, I saw a story about Muslim prisoners in England putting together a lawsuit to sue the prison authorities because they almost got served non-Halaal food.

The incident in question was a one-off where 'spicy pork chops' where specified as an option on the Halaal menu. The muslim inmates said that a muslim inmate who cannot read english could have unwittingly elected for that meal and unknowingly eaten pork. This did not occur. Nevertheless, they are now also complaining on the grounds that the Jewish inmates recieve pre-packaged Kosher meals which are not produced within the prison.

My initial reactions where:
1) OMFGWTF - they have a MENU?
2) If no one 'unwittingly' ate the pork, what's the problem?
3) Why do the jews get special food? I'm sure they smuggle shit in the meals.
4) Fuck it - feed them all groul.

I have a firm dislike for religion because of bullshit like this. Don't you forfeit some human rights as a prisoner? Like the right to choose wtf you eat?

I know very little about archaic eating laws and the like, but I would appreciate it if one of our resident Muslim members could explain to us the penalties involved with eating non-Halaal food? Why are they making such a scene.

They should lock him up with the 'sistren' every friday night.

He's in jail. If he wanted to have a choice in meals, he shouldn't have broken the fucking law.

Riiigght... so i beleive in god and that makes me irrational.... b4 you go sprouting sewage prehaps you should rethink it.... just a suggestion.

I happen to beleive in God, (Christian sense), now this would most likely not have happened if not for my christian upbringing which i am eternally gratefull for.

I have had many doubts about the religion in terms of scientific validity and recently this has started to change, from what i have heard/read i know my religious beleifs have been re-enforced by science. Just the more i find out the more i realise how there has to be a god and for me its the christian sense of it.

There was this one arguement that people tend to belive in God out of fear of what happens to us after we croak...

Well, I for one do not believe in God because I am afraid of where I am going to after I die. In fact, I feel that things would be easier for me (to a certain degree) if I did not believe in God.

Anyways, my choice in Christianity involves(ed) a LOT of soul-searching, and even a bit of time as an atheist, so ja.

And the whole point of this thread being: SadisticLobotomy starting this topic as he was/is unsure what to believe and had to hold a poll and hear people debating to enforce that his beliefs are in check with the majority.

Now isn't that sweet. Please, SadisticLobotomy, no offense, but we're all allowed to feel insecure at some point.

One thing, I don't care what happens to you when I die. I won't be capable of caring about myself when I'm dead either. There's nothing to worry about, nor frankly to even care about this topic that nobody really has survived from. Life after death stories = overactive imagination.

If there's a God, bow down and go to church. If there's not, well sit back, smoke a cigar and notice how the smoke disappears because that's what will be happening to you once your body and brain (memory section included) cease to function.

If you're from some other fancy-ass religion then don't come crying to me. I mean, since when do people without some fatal disease or disablilty care about anyone other than themselves? I don't care about what you can or cannot eat. If you've been invited to my house for dinner and I server pork, you eat it otherwise you get my foot shoved up your ass.

Didn't you read the post that started this thread?

Milano...asked...me...to...created...the...poll...as...he...was...unable...to.

Got that?

And I don't need to create polls to feel secure about my beliefs - I got my answers way before this site was even created thankyouverymuch.

Rejoice!

These are the largest religions in the world with approximate numbers...

1. Christianity: 2 billion

2. Islam: 1.3 billion

3. Hinduism: 900 million

4. Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 850 million

5. Buddhism: 360 million

6. Chinese traditional religion: 225 million

7. primal-indigenous: 150 million

8. African Traditional & Diasporic: 95 million

9. Sikhism: 23 million

10. Juche (the required religion of North Korea): 19 million

11. Spiritism: 14 million

12. Judaism: 14 million

13. Baha'i: 6 million

14. Jainism: 4 million

15. Shinto: 4 million

16. Cao Dai: 3 million

17. Tenrikyo: 2.4 million

18. Neo-Paganism: 1 million

19. Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand

20. Rastafarianism: 700 thousand

21. Scientology: 600 thousand

22. Zoroastrianism: 150 thousand

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