What do you guys think?

Sorry to start a new poll, but I couldnt find a recent one, and I was asked for some opinions about this topic by a friend.

LOL! 9 votes and no-one is going to heaven thus far!

I personally dont see anything wrong with it, I mean think about it, if u only want to get married when ur 30, and u start dating a woman when ur like 20, u mean to tell me u gonna live with this woman for 10 years and not have sex once? Yeah Right!!!!

To be completely honest Im sh$t scared of kids. Contraceptives dont always work. (eg me, but my parents were married)

HA HA HA void, talk about low self-esteem!

What does the lord of moral depravity (me) think? Go ahead, the more orphans there are, the easier it is for me to run my sweatshops!

Seriously though, you can go ahead just don't do something stupid like have 12 children.

Low self esteem? I just dont want to make a mess of my life, sudying with a kid to look after has to be harder.

I agree, but sometimes, the power of sex is greater than logic

but if ur that worried, go put ur ammo in a bank, and then get versectomised (spelling) then u can romp end stomp with and worries

The human body only has a certain amount of blood in it. When you get aroused, blood drains from the brain to the other organ in question. The brain therefore shutsdown and decisions are taken over by the other member.

as Robin Williams said
"God gave us a brain and a penis, and only enough blood to run one at a time"

Lemmie break it to you harshly before someone who is not a stranger tells you:

Sex is not some holy sacred sacrement. Sex is the process whereby we proprgate the speices, and a cold lump of gold on your finger and an arbitrary legal document saying she gets half of your shit if you ditch her isn't gonna make sex any better, more beautiful or less messy. Sex is sex, weather youre married or not, and people have been doing it long before some guy realised he could sell his daughters as slaves and call it 'marrage'.

Sheesh class dismissed.

Jeez Ziggy, I know this is fight club, but no need to get agro on my ass! My comment was a little light hearted, sorry it pissed you off. I also believe the poll clearly states "pre marital sex" which clearly indicates a moral/religious connectation. Now onto your post...

Yes, sex is the natural way of propegating the species, however your views aren't necessarily mine, and mine not necessarily yours.

If you stoop to basic animal-like thinking then you can go on and get a leg up with anybody & everybody (along with many other things that would be fine to do, like kill your neighbour or some stranger because he was 'invading your territory'). However it puts strain on (jealous - trust me, everybody has some degree of this) people in relationships and often ends up in separation (even years later) and should there be children could deprive them of the proper amount of guidance from their natural parent due to them not being there then. I listened to a talk the other day (some high level dominee of some kind) and he reckons that marriage was instituted way back when so that there wouldn't be worries about paternity. This statement is also highly debateable.

Now I know we live in modern times & I'm guilty myself of "trying the shoe on before I buy", but admit it - no guy likes the thought of the love of his life having been around a lot. Guys are probably more accepting on that point than women are, ever had a conversation with your GF/wife and it came up on how many women you've been with (or how many men she's been with for that matter)? Kinda uncomfortable isn't it? Doesn't matter what you answer it doesn't seem to be the right one - the person is immediately under suspicion.

Then, to add insult to injury. If you're a Cristian. I believe the bible clearly states (somewhere, don't ask me as I'm no bible puncher) that marriage is a holy union between a man and a woman (which brings us on another point of discussion - modern times same sex marriages) created by God and no man is to interfere with that - hence "to death do us part". Marriage must also be consumated (spelling?) to be binding - this used to be checked many years ago (don't ask me how, can only speculate) and women were 'inspected' to be sure that they were 'pure' before a marriage ceremony was undertaken. If it wasn't consumated, then a separation could be undertaken, otherwise it used to be a big problem. Look, I don't want to get into a piss-up over religion, it always ends bad.

About women being sold as wives. I know this is a practice that is still taking place today (yes it is) and I agree that it's not on.

Just my point of view - and no, clearly class isn't yet dismissed...

i have no prob with it as long as you dont shag the entire rugby team :-)

personally sex is not just sex for me, its being so in-love and comfortable with a person that being that vunerable and intimate, revealing yourself physically and emotionally is of no concern.
making love to her is the best and only way to express how much you love her.
but thats just me.

Cheers
Guy

Sex is a natural thing, and having to wait to say a few words in front of some guy with a white collar to me seems like a needless wait.

Daai ding maak 'n ou dom.

I couldn't imagine waiting for marriage to have sex. Regardless of how much of a Don Juan you think you are, the first time sucks and to discover that on the night of your honeymoon must be such a huge anticlimax for both you & your partner.

If you (and you is a generalised you) think that sex is just sex, its chemistry and simply propogation of the species, you bring down everything that humans have created in culture.

Animal procreate for the propogation of our species. Humans do not. How can we prove this? Ugly people getting laid. Fat people getting laid. Unhealthy people getting laid. If we were in it for the procreation then we would only mate with the biggest and the best, and there would be no middle ground there. It would be a wholly instinct driven process. It is not. Don't kid yourself. There is much mroe to sex than simple procreation or whatever.

to address Ziggy's post directly. You are saying sex is just sex, its juts procreation. But if people were having pre-marital sex just for the sake of procreation then it would mean that people were doing it to have kids. Having kids out of wedlock? Bad bad idea!

People who trivialise the instituion of marriage are the people who invariably end up alone their whole lives or end up one the bad side of several divorces. It's got jackall to do with a guy with a white collar, and even less to do with a legal document and a wedding ring. There are very good reasons that people wait for marriage before having sex, reasons that everyone knows.

I dont mind if people have sex before marriage, in fact, I'm quite sure it will happen to me. Just dont kid yourselves for goodness sakes. It's good jackall to do with propogation or the rebellion against authority that your arguments point to. It's got a lot more to do with current society and the brainwashing it brings with it. The ways of life we embrace that embody the principles of instant gratification and selfless pleasure are the reasons people want pre-marital sex.

The idea of marital sex is a reward, not a punishment. Your failure to see this further illustrates my point.

sorry if this post seems bitchy, its not. I'm in the boat too. Just be realistic. There's no moral justification, and that's just the point.

Although a lot of ppl put a lot of stock into the whole marriage thing I can't say I'm all for promoting it. Marriage happens for many reasons besides love, or whatever - to save yourself for marriage implies you are saving yourself for somebody you want to be exclusive to. If you believe in it, and it's for religious purposes I say more power to you.

But it seems to me that to be exclusive to someone you don't necessarily need the security of some of ceremony and the declaration of intentions in front of an army of guests. Pre-marital sex isn't synonymous with the animal impulses that lead to instant gratification. For example, if an engaged couple have sex before their wedding - still pre-marital sex, but it kinda looks different then.

A lot of it is based on tradition. I don't believe ppl should just go out on shagging sprees or test this type or that fantasy. But I don't think that not being married should keep people back if it's for the so-called 'right' reasons.

Ok it seems Im being misunderstood.

Sex is yes, a wonderful thing that happens between a man and a woman in the ultimate expression of love.

Marrage on the other hand is an artificial convention which seems has classically been used as
A) A means to a profit
and
B) Political convinience

(Such as alliances being founded on marrage - Look at Di and Charles, those two really REALLY didn't dig one another)

And furtermore, marrage isn't gonna make your sexual experience any more special or meaningful in any way whatsoever, because in the end its just a load of antiqueted legal garbage which fails more often than not and when it does it is easily done away with.

That said, yeah probably some day I will tie the knot with some woman, but only as a formality, - before I marry ANYBODY the relationship will go through a stress-test of 5 years of living together.

Sex before marriage is WRONG !!

the reason for this is becuase God clearly states that sex is for marriage end of story ! There are no if's or but's.

When a man and woman have sex there bodies become ONE. If any of them have sex with other partners after that they shall be commiting adultry.

You know that your bodies are parts of the body of Christ. Shall I take a part of Christ's body and make it part of the body of a prostitute? Impossible! Or perhaps you don't know that the man who joins his body to a prostitute becomes physically one with her?

The scripture says quite plainly, "The two will become one body."

Jesus answered, "Haven't you read the scripture that says that in the beginning the Creator made people male and female? 5 And God said, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and unite with his wife, and the two will become one.' 6 So they are no longer two, but one. No human being must separate, then, what God has joined together."

7 The Pharisees asked him, "Why, then, did Moses give the law for a man to hand his wife a divorce notice and send her away?" 8 Jesus answered, "Moses gave you permission to divorce your wives because you are so hard to teach. But it was not like that at the time of creation. 9 I tell you, then, that any man who divorces his wife for any cause other than her unfaithfulness, commits adultery if he marries some other woman.

MANY OF YOU WILL LAUGH AT THIS IF YOU ARE NOT CHRISTIAN, BUT I HAVE TRIED TO HELP YOU PEOPLE ON THIS SUBJECT.

AND AS THE BIBLE SAYS " CHRISTIANS ARE ALIENS TO THIS WORL AND ARE NOT OF THIS WORLD "

And if Your not christian, is then sex before marrage ok?

The Bible also condons woman standing with men, it also looks down apon a woman being the bread winner in the house over the man, so now are going to tell me that your also against woman enpowerment? And the bible also ALLOWS for a man to beat a woman if he deems her not faithful or if she questions him.

So let me put it to you bluntly, Sex before marrage is wrong if you are of christian belief, if you are not, then its free rane.

I believe in self choice, I dont see a problem with sex before marrage, just be careful.

I am also sick of this:
"SEX IS WRONG" why??? "BECAUSE MY BELIEF SAYS SO"

Those are things quoted in the Old Testament, and Jesus came to change a LOT of the teachings in the Old Testament.

In any case, the problem with sex before marriage is that it can lead (and does in most cases) to people trivialising sex, which is a bad thing, since entering into a woman's body should be dealt with in the an extremely careful, and respectful manner...

Hell, if there was no sex before marriage, a LOT of problems could have been eradicated...

I too am all for choice, but people need to learn to be seisible.

Point taken.

Yeah no, I'm all for sensible behaviour, i personally wouldnt just randomly go sleeping around with random people. I'm talking about.. like dating someone for like 4 years, and you live together, and sleep in the same bed. Then I personally dont see any problem with pre marital sex.

on a lighter note:
Just imagine dating this woman for 10years, u get married and discover she is well bad in the sack, like shockingly bad, this could have all been avoided if you tested the goods before hand

How many people buy a car without testing driving it first?

(*Warning* *Warning* I can already see flame posts comming my way)

Haha! Dont worry Adelante, I agree with you there.

I see where you are coming from Wnbc, although I do wonder why you are so blinkered, or tunnel-visioned? Do you like being narrow-minded, and not taking other peoples beliefs into consideration?

I understand that you believe what you believe, and I cant argue, sine I myself am a christian, all be it an non-practising one, But, there are many more beliefs in thew world as to what is right and what is wrong, for example, the Muslim faith allows 3 wives, Do you see this as wrong? But then again, In the muslim culture, men and women very rarely are around each other, and often as not, only meet their wives a few weeks/months before they get married.

I think that you should try to take into consideration that there may be some other religions out there that praise pre-marital sex, rather than forbid it, and stop saying that

In other words, you are saying "Im right, my god is right, and so, you are wrong" Now what would a Hindu say to that? Are you saying that the bible says that Christianity is the ONLY religion? I understand that the bible states that you should be tolerant of other religions, this includes telling them that they are wrong, without doubt, and you are always right.

So, can you explain why you refuse to see other peoples points of view, simply because your holy book says so? How sure can you be, that the vatican has not altered that book to suit its own ends? It has been an awfully long time since Mathew, Mark, Luke and John wrote their scriptures.

without trying to change this topic into a religious debate, I agree with you w2dmb.

At the time the bible was written, it was right for a man to beat a woman, to have many wives, and basically if he said jump, she must be to scared to ask how high.

But as for other religions, I dont have any religion, I have my own beliefs, which have some christian values, and some buddhist values. Does this make what i believe wrong? or even a "bad" person?

Just to add for all those narrow minded people out there who piss me off constantly, You can be buddhist & christian at the same time. Buddism is not a religion, nore is it a cult. It is merly a way of living your life, it has the same respect for the exact some commandments of the bible. So if I hear one more "buddism is bad, u cant be buddist and christian, ur bad, ur going to hell" I can going to scream, I'm so sick of religiously narrow minded people.

But back to the topic at hand....
SEX > *

Sorry Adelante, I just want to point out one more thing before talking about sex again. Where in the quotes does it mention sex? Everything in the bible refers to marriage or a spiritual connection. I don't see it mentioning sex.
Funny how christianity is one of the few religions that condone hate. They are so against the other religions they will commit them to hell. Buddism only talks about love - is that wrong?!

I CONCUR!!

in christianty, in one breath they say "All paths lead to heaven, and so on" and in the next say they "If your not christian, u will burn in hell"
Which is something that has confused me seriously.

Buddism = = =



HAHHAAHHA, YEAH LETS TALK ABOUT SEX!!!

Just for the record I am a Christian.

I say that it's fine - as long as you're willing to accept responsibility for your actions. There are several risks to worry about - ranging from sexually transmitted diseases to birth (that child support won't be cheap). I'm not saying: "Hey you can f*ck whoever you want, just wear a condom!". Basically sex is humans reproducing. Being the complex creatures we are it's for other reasons one of them being love. Now if you love somebody so much that you're willing to engage in sexual intercourse (which can include several activities involving genitilia) with him/her. With couples divorcing on a regular basis these days - it's one of those things becoming more socially acceptable - I ask: Why bother waiting for marriage? Because if you date a women for let's say 5 years and finally marry her only to find out that she isn't as good at it as you thought. The marriage is on the rocks. You divorce him/her and find somebody else. Are you going to have sex with your 2nd wife/husband? Obviously. The bottom line:

I have no problem with premarital sex. As long as the couple loves each other intemitely and if it's not for other purposes.

My question to the Religious Christian people is:

Do you think God cares about a piece of paper which says ur married?

Spirtual Marrage (which the bible refers to it is) is in the mind people, its not a piece of paper which is bound by law.

Here is a good reason for pre-marital sex. Times have changed since the Bible was written.

Now we need to first check that the right things are in the right places

Adelante: whoa there tiger, you saying some stuff you not thinking about clearly mate, come now



First of all, I understand your confusion. And the confusion comes from Christianity being for sale on ebay. People have this touched by angel TV sensationalised view of Christianity that just isnt true.

People can play quote games all day long, and throw inconsistencies at each other till the blue in the face. The Bible was written by man 1) and 2) it was written by many different people over the course of many years and two testaments. There's a lot of room for error. What's important about God's laws and about Christianity, is faith, not religion. It's the spirit of the word, not the word itself.

IE: my interpretation of some stuff. Does God care about paper? Who knows, we cant answer that. To ask does he care 'more' about what's in your heart than what's in the paper? I would say yes.

The point is not the certificate, the point is the vows, its the affirmation of love and promises of fidelity. Marriage is more than a piece of paper. It's an agreement, and one done in front of people and God, to say that we love only each other, now and always. That's what they want you to wait for, not for the paper my man. (at least in my mind)

The other thing about sex before marriage. People think in black and white all the time. The universe has many greys, and not everything is just as easy as all that. Now if two people love each other, and they sleep with only each other for 4 years and they get married. What's the problem? I dont see one. I doubt many neo-Christians would either. If that guy sleeps with 10 women sowing his wild oats and testing the waters, there's problems.

You want my honest opinion? I dont see the point of prohibiting it, wel I do but I dont agree with it. Not everyone eblieves our faith, so they dont have to obey our laws. However, think of people, and now please, for the sake of this exercise, think not of people, think of all humanity, from now till the days of the creation of the Christian laws.

Now think about it, can you explain to these people the dangers of disease, impregnation, the equal role of men and women, the different changing relationships and responsibilities? Can you explain this argument we're having to Moses or any of a couple of billion people around the world? no. But you still want to guard them from the dangers, so what do you do? You make a law. There are no blacks and whites, only greys, so what do you do? You make some blacks and whites, in the forms of laws. The mob is stupid, the mob is fickle, and the mob is exceedingly dangerous, and everyone, from me to you to the pope, knows that religion is an exceedingly effective tool of control, statecraft and an everlasting source of power. It makes sense.

Milano you got made me horny over a transexual! Damn you! Now I'm depressed! How could you do this to me! :sick:

LOL

Mithras, you're one sick puppy

Mind you 'he' is pretty hot. Maybe that Gay-o-Meter thread needs revisiting

That is what i said a couple of posts back, I'm not talking about the person who goes out and bonks every girl he meets. That I do think is wrong, But what i dont think is wrong is if you been dating someone for a long time, and you are both very much inlove with each other. Then I dont see any problem with it.


Milano = bwhahahaah

I have to agree hey, I would much prefer to check the person out before getting married, i have seen one to many jerry springer's

I'm fucked up for the rest of life now
I couldn't believe it! He/She/It looked like the real thing!

BWHAHAHHA!

i also thought it was a real woman at first...

dont worry, you're not the only ones
even the guy who won the show was in disbelief

Wasnt there already a thread about this a while back?
Anyway like I said there : pre marital sex is good if done safe (use of condoms.the pill and other stuff to prevent aids/kids/STD's) cos sex is important in a relationship (longterm) and can mess up ones marriage!So better try before you buy right?But do it responsible!

All the posts made for very interesting reading. From Ziggy to Wnbc.

In the end I have to agree with Ninja Mo. It's not about whether you are a christian or buddhist, muslim or atheist for that matter, it's the affirmation of love and promises of fidelity.

We've lived through many ages, and under many laws, times where sharing partners was the norm, times where one and only one partner was the norm... Different religions, different laws say it in different ways, but if we take a step back and watch all this in a blur, close our eyes to the rigid lines, and focus only on the colour inside the drawing, until we don't know for sure which religion said what or what law prescribed what, I can assure you there is a golden thread running through it all. Be good, honest and true. Attributes that are often scoffed at, because in the time we live, we hide behind our fears and insecurities and become sardonic to the point of bitterness. Good, honest and true? Hehehehe - wuss!

And once we become jaded, it's easier to grab moments of happiness - I'm a big women's rights advocate, and phrases like: really get me going. Who is going to deny me my sexual freedom? If every male since creation has indulged in many many 'wild oats sowing', why oh why, can't I? Bring on one night stands, f*cking, using - let me enjoy it all...



Let me enjoy it all ... and let me destroy myself in the process. Good, honest and true? Hehehehe - wuss! Who needs that? But I ask one person on this forum to tell me they don't want someone to love them, someone to care whether they are dead or alive, someone to be intimate with, someone you can make love with and f*ck with, someone to laugh with, someone to hold onto?

... for now we gorge ourselves on fast sex, faster relationships...

I guess marriage got dragged into 'sex before', because it was the one thing that forced us to commit while setting us free to really care about a person. I'm not answering for anyone's God, so whether it's a sin or not, I really don't know. But if we flit from one bed to another, without caring, we hurt ourselves.

So I guess it's not about whether it's right or wrong, it's whether you can look in the mirror and love the person looking back at you. Good, honest, true.

and no girl does either.

Maybe there is hope for us afterall.

in any case, the problem with sex before marriage is that it can lead (and does in most cases) to people trivialising sex, which is a bad thing, since entering into a woman's body should be dealt with in the an extremely careful, and respectful manner...


EDITED: Just fixed the quote unquote thing

not true. it is definitely wrong in Hinduism and Islam as well.

ok, let me rephase...

Sex before marrage is wrong if you are of any religion which says its wrong, if you are not, then its free rane

Better?

Here's a thought...

Best book I ever read says, "a man's sexual choice is the result and the sum of his fundamental convictions. Tell me what a man finds sexually attractive and I will tell you his entire philosophy of life. Show me a woman he sleeps with and I will tell you his valuation of himself....The man who is proudly certain of his own value, will want the highest type of woman he can find, the woman he admires, the strongest, the hardest to conquer--because only the possession of a heroine will give him the sense of an achievement, not the possession of a brainless slut. He does not seek to gain his value, he seeks to express it. There is no conflict between the standards of his mind and the desires of his body."


BTW, that exerpt was written by an athiest. However, she is the most moral woman I have ever seen, which I concluded after being exposed to many religious organizations out there.

Now THATs what I think of sex, period. Premarital, etc, boils down to your values. This notion that chastity serves some "higher" state of being is nonsense. Value and character is best demonstrated by the use of your brain, not the absence of something that even an retard can claim. Regardless of how vehemently one pontificates the many virtues of abstinence, true worth shares one commonality--erudition. Show me a man of the mind who has the rational self interest to improve his person through productive achievement, and you will see, ugly or not, the many women that have the wit to recognize what's good for them. Why? Because men of productive achievement do not dote on what they can't do, but lives their lives to the fullest, proving that anything is possible. The same thing can be said of a woman. Tell me, men, do you want a mindless bimbo that offers no value to any conversation but has a nice ass? What about a woman who constantly reminds you that "god is watching," or with aggressive self-righteousness declares you're a depraved human being for masterbating? Heaven forbid if you ever want a blow job! Or would you prefer a woman who can fix her own computer, is a profession who wears little red suits, and enjoys reading Scientific American from cover to cover? Trust me. Efficacious men/women are VERY sexy. Oh yeah, and those kinds of girls don't have any issues with blow jobs.

Its philosophy folks. Sex is a product of your values. If there is sexual disfunction, check your premises. Somewhere there's a contradiction glaring at you in the face.

Oh, and I'm an athiest too.

Well put. A lot of people read way too much into the act of sex, some not enough, but the ultimate choice goes down to you and your values.

Yay Yay to Athiests. I'm a converted athiest, thanks to christianity

ROFLMAO! Kudos to you, Brother. LOL.



Quite true.

Sorry i need to clear some falicies about Christians here. Then read my comment at the end.


Yes but it can seriously interfere with marriage later in life, particularly with a different person


If you are a Jew maby? Under Christ we are equal. The man is the head of the house, but to love his wife like Christ the church


Where is this in the bible? The woman should be the homemaker. ie she should keep the family strong and look after the family. In todays society it is very hard to do this, with 2 incomes required. I truly believe that a mother at home will bring up Children better. This is sometimes not possible.
The wife is to submit to the husband. (That does not mean being a slave or doormat but to let the husband make the final decision. So if the husband says she can work its surely OK.


Now what bible is this from. Not in the New Testament, that’s for sure.
As I mentioned Jesus said we must love our wives like he loved the Church. (He died for the Church, as you may have seen in "The Passion".


No! but i am against women who belittle men. As a Christian men are the Priest in the house. Some woman empowerment societies think men are worthless.


OK you may say this, but there are some biblical principles that really are there for all to benefit from. Sleeping around WILL interfere with your relationship with the 'right one' when you find her. Ide advise waiting for the right one at least!


Self choice is good. unfortunately some people are missing a few screws and think that that means date rape, under age sex, beating your girlfriend/wife is ok.... There has to be some rules


Well if you are not a Christian,Yes who cares if you have sex before marriage.
If you are a Christian then No, sex before marriage is wrong. make your own mind us. Thats the beauty of free will.

Hey if you believe that sex before marriage is ok, then go for it. Just be careful and don’t hurt anybody in the process.

But please don’t slate Christians because we don’t believe in it. God forbids fornication, so as a Christian we are not allowed to do it. Damnit it is hard. And many of us fail. But we are all still human and make mistakes. Thankfully God does forgive those of us, that have fallen to this temptation (and any other) if we ask for forgiveness and mean it.

I still want to know where in the bible it mentions SEX before marriage?
All that I see are quotes refering to a spiritual connection.

Matthew 15:19
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.

Mark 7:21
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

Acts 15:20
but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality,[Or [fornication] ] from things strangled, and from blood.

2 Corinthians 12:21
lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and I shall mourn for many who have sinned before and have not repented of the uncleanness, fornication, and lewdness which they have practiced.

Galatians 5:19
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[5:19 NU-Text omits [adultery.] ] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,

Ephesians 5:3
But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints;

Colossians 3:5
Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.

Does the bible have a glossary where it clarifies the word 'fornication'?

A nice bunch of quotes, but there is still no implicit mention of sex before marriage.

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Fornication - The dictionary meaning of the word "fornication" means any unlawful
sexual intercourse including adultery.
www.bible.com/answers/afornica.html - nog al from a bible site

Making love (sex) with someone that you care deeply about (before marriage) does therefore not lead to fornication. Going and screwing a bunch of prostitutes does.

The word can be interpreted in many ways. There is no propper meaning. It can be changed to suit both sides of the arguement.

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Adultary - This involves marriage - out of context

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ok look.

basically, marriage is an agreement between two people. Nowhere in the bible does it state that you have to sign papers declaring that you are married etc etc.

Now, you are "married" to this person, you sleep with them, then decide you've had enough then move on to the next person. That = adultery/fornication in the christian sense.

According to christianity, when you sleep with someone, a bond forms between you and the other person (you become one person yada yada yada) and then basically you are married to that person. Sleeping with someone else will disgrace this bond and you will fall into the adultery/fornication category.

Its as simple/complicated as that.

Also, according to dictionary.com, fornication is

NO you do not have to be married. But you should confess before God with a witness that you are married.

The marriage papers you sign today are more of a legal issue, BUT i do see it as a sign of a commitment.
Since I am a christian, ide rather get married (and did) before God, in the house of God, through a pastor/preacher/rev. ....