Well, this ought to be interesting. It seems that there are a few members of PM who think that homosexuality is wrong. Well, I have said my say (so far) I have alot more to say, but let us hear what the rest of the PM members thinks of this.

This could get hairy, but ja.. so be it. I would say that anything said here must not be taken personally, as it is only the opinions of those who are going to be involved.

from other thread:


my reply:

i always laugh when people say "oh you are insecure about your sexuality".

what the fuck does that have to do with anything? Nothing. I'm not insecure about my sexuality. I just don't agree with the act of homosexuality. It's wrong. It was never intended to be. In fact its downright disgusting.

insecure? hah. I'm very secure about how i feel sexually.

Thats good aquadog. But tell me... why exactly was it not intended to be? Please make this clear to me.... It is something that I do not understand.

And why are you so quick to make a judgement on this? Does it hurt you in any way? Why on earth should it matter to you, what two (or more) ppl do with their own lives? Isn't it their 'right' (for a lack of a better word) to be able to love someone of the same sex?

Or is it just because ghei ppl aren't in the majority, and people aren't use to things that are different? Different is'nt always wrong you know.

I never said that different is wrong. I of all people understand that.

The fact is, it just wasn't meant to be. Looking at the male and female anatomy, you can see males and females were made for each other.

Males and males were not. If it was mean to be, don't you think males would have been able to procreate with other males?

all fags must burn


And dont forget ......

OK lets look at this one first.

Granted, there may not be a right and wrong concerning most things in life, this is one case where a majority will agree. Muslims and Jews will even be unanimous in their feelings on homosexuality.



Of course I'm not going to look. What, you think I'm some cupboard perv and I get my kicks watching moffies get kinky? No thanks.



This is a big of a contradiction here.
You say that IF I look I shouldn't complain - well how about not being so in your face about it. I don't go around waving my straight flag and telling everybody "HEY DUDE I HAD SEX WITH A WOMAN LAST NIGHT". I'm not that open and, once again, lots of people don't do things like that.
If I happen to complain then - why is it that the first people always to jump on the defense to any complaint about homosexuality, are always the homos?
I thought you said nobody's listening when we complain.

To end it all - homosexuality is wrong. It's not a natural part of life, and it surely isn't pro-active in terms of sowing the seeds of life.

I've got R100 that says aquadog likes lesbian porn though

my uncle had a dog.
it was a man dog. but it was also a faggot dog. It kept trying to pork another male hound.

My uncle shot it.

I think I need to give my uncle more ammo and send him off to faggot nightclubs.

My uncle is my hero.

haha yeah you're right. now fork over the R100.

Jokes aside, while i DO enjoy lesbian porn, i still believe it's wrong. I wouldn't like my wife/gf to have sexual relations with another women.

not to say that lesbian porn is different because its not.
But at the end of the day, its the porn industry, they get these wonderfully bodaccious blondes licking each others cracks BECAUSE IT SELLS! and then 2 women are sensual, seductive and just damn fine, what is so sensual about 1 bloke stroking another blokes manhood ever so lovingly ? Thats just frigging disgusting!

As for the blonde bimbo luscious lesbians, as I pointed out, thats a farce, its a mechanism used to sell more porn because in actual fact, real lesbians are the kind that pee standing up, wear combat boots, are half the size of a double decker bus. They also roll their own tampons and are considered well hung if they have fat fingers.

Nothing wrong with lovely ladies licking lovely ladies. I'm all up for it.

As long as they're not dykes, I ain't got a problem with it!

Ahhhh religion... Yes, I know that religions are disgusted by homosexuality. It is their own narrow minded faults. And they are the reasons why alot of ppl think of homosexuality as wrong. Wich I still don't know why... it all seems a bit meaningless.

Yes, two men won't be able to make babies, who cares? The world is already over populated.

Btw rat_sumo.. I didn't say you were a closet perv... you said that hmmkay
And the only reason why 'fags' is so all in your face is because of how they were treated. It is the same with any other group that were discriminated against... look at SA for example... the black ppl were discriminated against, and when they were free, they were in your face as well... same as with homosexuals... they have the freedom that they deserve now, and yes, they are also in your face. This of course will subside as years pass on. And I do agree, it is irratating to have them dress up, and walking down the middle of the street carrying banners and flags etc, but that still doesn't make it wrong.

I do know that I will never change your point of view, and I don't want to. I know in my life, that my point of view is the only thing I need, and it is also so in your life.

The reason why I jumped in 'to their defence' was because ppl 'like rat_sumo' and 'rush' (whom I thought was cool, untill he proved otherwise) say things like they do, without considering the consequences.... Being gay is not an easy thing, and one certainly do not choose to be gay or straight, and this is a nightmare for young ppl, trying to figure out what and who they are. It does leave a big scar when things like that is said, especially what Rush said. Just remember, the way you may influence the life of someone you don't know, may influence your life as well, maybe not in a direct way.

Anyway.. this post of mine is becomeing a little to long winded.

Sure it is not an easy thing, but it is also UNNARURAL! And no amount of defence from your side can change my views on that. That is why i am also not into the kinky shit in the bedroom. And guess what: IT IS A CHOICE. You know why? It is a choice to go against nature. We are all born with procreation in mind. How is being a homo related to procreation at all?



Stop being so self conscious

Oh, so now you're bashing religion?
Pretty quick on the draw there, pal. You first moan that we shouldn't judge other people's lifestyles - but pray tell, what do you classify what you just did, as?



Yes, but you're trying to insinuate that being gay is natural - which, if this was the case, would lead to human-kind's extinction because the poop chute isn't a very fertile place, despite what horticulturists will have you believe regarding the effectiveness of compost/manure.



No I didn't say that I was "a closet" perv. I was ASKING you if you think that I'm the kind of person who would get my kicks from watching gays in action.
Obviously the rhetorical nature of the question escaped you.



No, they're in my face because they think they're the bees knees. They are phoney people - the end.
They try to be something they are not. They talk with an annoying accent, partake in activities that aren't natural. Homosexuals are every definition of phoney - trying to pass off as something else, not genuine, insincere, hypocritical.
I'm not saying that you have these qualities - I'm not judging you. These are just my personal definitions of homosexuality, and I don't see many people disagreeing with me.



You are contradicting yourself here, dude.
You started this post and wanted other people's opinoin's on homosexuality. Don't come and preach to us about "the only opinion you need is yours". rotfl.



Yeah, rush is a cool dude. Why should your opinion change just because he isn't gay - or tolerant of people who are?



AWWE! My heart pumps biltong flavoured custard for you. Don't try and make me feel guilty because you like guys. I don't have anything against you - I have something against what you do.
Just like a friend who smokes crack - I'll be mad at him when he does it, but he's still a friend. He can be rehabilitated.
Speaking of which - why is it that all these ex-gay people are loving every minute of being straight, once they're "converted"?

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One last thing I noticed - why do you end every post with a king smiley?
Shouldn't you use the queen smiley?

all i can say is WHAT THE FUCK.

you, sir, are an idiot.

what the fuck. if the entire human race were left in your 'capable' hands, everyone would die off in 50 years. Nice going there, frank.



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WRONG.

I think homosexuality is wrong 2 men shagging is disgusting. There are athiests that believe homosexuality is wrong. Sorry, there goes your defence.

Try again.

Well... thank you for the personal attacks, and don't denie that there weren't any.

Okay.. I asked for your point of view.. I didn't say that I wanted it as mine, and I didn't say I want to change yours hmmkay....

I also didn't say that everyone should be gay, and lead the human race to their extinction hmmkay....

I wasn't bashing religion, I was merely stateing a fact hmmkay....

And isn't it strange, that when two men shag that it is disgusting, but when two women do it, it fine.. very very strange me thinks.... Don't try to justify it.. they shag, wich makes them ghei, although you do get str8 women who shag each other, wich they don't care about....

Oh.. and rat_sumo.. it seems my sarcasm escapes you....
And I also do know, that you get alot of phoney ghei ppl, I have met a few, but this is so for st8 ppl as well... And also.. my opinion hasn't changed because Rush aint ghei.... It seems that ppl assume to much, and want to turn this discussion into a flame war....

Also.. Im not trying to make anyone feel guitly, I was only asking for more sublety.. note: asking.. not demanding...

And lol @ rat_sumo.... I might be ghei.. but I don't think of myself as being queenie... I also don't flap my wrists, and I do not speak with the famous mofo
accent. Hard to believe, but it's true... don't want to believe me, then come down to pe and we can go have coffee.....

Also.. for me.. ghei ppl adopting children is a bit iffy... It is a tender subject, and an entire different topic.

Slicknick

I'm still cool. This being the fight club means that I can take it either way.

I can choose to side with homosexuality and go on about how they, as a minority have as much right as anyone else to love and be loved by members of their own sex, which is all well and true. And easily argueble from either side.
This is the fight club and so in here I will live up to my title of being a bastard because I can be, thats my choice, as much as its the choice of some blokes to be in love with other blokes.

It comes down to choice.

Gay people have the right to be what they choose to be so why not honour me the same right?

Accept me as a homophobe, and I'll accept you as a homosexual.
It doesnt change the cool person that I am

My thoughts on other things dont change, I am still the very same person, but because I dont conform to your ways, doesnt make me less of the person you once perceived me to be. Its my choice really

You wanna talk discrimination? Being portuguese I was called lots of names and ostracised while growing up. Puts me in a minority too. but I accepted it as you should too.

As for wether religious circles accept homosexuality, it doesnt make much of a difference because people twist things to suit themselves.
Go read the bible and pay close attention to Sodom And Ghomorrah and wonder where the term SODOMY originated.

*bows* to Rush... And noooooo I meant bow, not bend

Yes, okay you made your point, and it is a very valid one.. And I agree.. And I do like the more mature approach you took to get your point across. If only everyone else could do it.

You know... *interesting thought* I wonder what they would do, and even you Rush, if someone very close to you turned out to be ghei. Would your feelings for them die, and make you hate and dispise them, or accept what they are? Will it still be wrong to be gay? Because you will know this person, you will know what type of person they are. Will you still be able to say the same thing?

Okay.. so homosexuality is unnatural. And yes, there are only a minority of these unnatural ppl. But does it make it wrong.. and I mean really really really really wrong just because it is unnatural? There are tons of unnatural things that ppl do today, *wich has become natural, but was not back in the hayday*... so why not this?

And pls.. try and be civil in your replies. And I will answer you with the due respect that you then deserve.

it's not natural to kill other people, only the minority do this, does it make it wrong that only a minority do it?


yes, if one of my friends turned out to be gay, i would run like the wind.


Because we seem to care when people go into their rooms and grab kiddies, or play russian rolette.

stinky winky... just the thought of it.

Murder and ghei sex are not the same thing...




Please stick to the topic!

You want my opinion on Faggots?

They're genetic defects, so boo hoo if they where born that way and they can't help it, my problem with them lies with their attitudes, they all think they're better than straight people, "they have style"(sarcastic voice) ooh la la, and that crap.

Face it, the world has no room for genetic defects.

i was merely using the argument of minority offence, if you can't see through that...

some say that they are born that way... then they should really decrease in numbers because there is no way to continue their genes.

If you want to pound another man in his tight anus, then feel free to do so, I honestly don't care. However, no matter how hard gay people try and convince themselves otherwise, I think everyone can eventually come to the conclusion that it's definitely not normal or intended to be. Society tries so hard to be 'open minded' about homosexuality, it's actually becoming sickening. Everyone knows it's wrong, yet they still try to accept and tolerate it.

Great question.

but even though I am homophobic, my gay friends accept that, they need to accept that I disprove off their way of life and if they can accept that about me, I accept them the way they are.

Yes, even I, Rush the bastard homophobe has gay friends.

isnt that right beuges?

Something else that I would like to point out

Homosexuals have this tenedency to go on about their right to this and their right to that. and minoroties and all sorts of other nonsense about equality the right to choice
but even so, some of the fags I know are the biggest racsists on the face of the earth
Wheres the justice in that? Don't come and talk about how unjust homophobes are when you have a rascist streak in you a mile wide and have no notion of accepting another race,creed or breed.

And Homosexuals are not 'born' gay

They are "Sucked" into it, pardon the expression.

And My advice to the common gay man, dont fool yourself, people arent as accepting as you are lead to believe, rather thank me for my honesty because I aint a hypocrite.

Do you know when a 'homosexual man' becomes a ' flaming faggot fucking cocksucking queer' ?

The minute he leaves the room.

Indeed, isn't that always the case.

My one question for all the vehement posters, is how many of you would be able to tell someone to their face that's how you felt about them? Whether you have known them forever, or if you know don't know them from a bar of soap?

sometimes, its like a disease, and there are even symptoms, it starts with a pounding sensation in your ass.

Doesn't everybody?

More homo's = more single chicks.....power to the homo's !!!!!!

lol interesting way of looking at it Even~Flow

lol.... yes indeed.

Your all entitled to your opinions (as narrow minded and neo-nazi as they might be) I just hope none of you are the type that go around mocking and attacking gays just on the basis of your petty insecurity. Cos at the end of the day thats all it is, unless they are instigating similar attacks on you for being heterosexual you are attacking them for choosing how they want to live life. You are trying to deny them something that is stipulated as a right in our constitution. That is not a right to be gay, but a right to freedom.

You can choose to have a negative outlook on this group of society but its not going to make them go away. I'm not saying if you cant beat 'em; join 'em, i'm just saying we should all try to respect each a little more. I'm not gay, I used to hate those "fucking brownhatting faggots" as much as the next bigot, but I've come to realise that life is so much better without unjustified hate.

And to Rush: As the key figure behind this great forum, dont you think its risky expressing your very negative views on homosexuality inlight of your advertisers. I'm pretty sure Google would have a problem with advertising on a site that promotes gaybashing and hate speech.

To you they might, but to me they might not be. Rather thank the people that have already contributed to fruitfull conversation?



It is my right to be a homophobe if i want to be, is it not?



I think hate is too strong a word. I just disapprove of their choice in partners. In if you must know, there are some of my friends' gf's/wives that i also disapprove of. That is my right of choice. It is like an interracial relationship, it might work, but then again it might not, but it still doesnt take away the fact that society sometimes frown upon it.

no one was promoting gaybashing, in fact I think its wrong.

Read the rules of fightclub

rule 1 , there are no rules, this is an open forum.

My views may be negative, but they are mine and mine alone. Whose got the right to try and take that away from me? the very same person who also gives gay people the right to freedom? thats pretty biased if one says you should support the gays, but you cannot ask for support of your own rights, which is that I can decide whether I like gays or not.

If I was such a bigot, I wouldnt have posted what I said about having gay friends, I accept them, they accept me. eos.

Okay. My bad, i disregarded the fact that this only a 'play-play' area of the forum. I just felt I needed to express my feelings inlight of the comments made, ie. the one i've quoted.

Can't we all just get along...

fact of the matter is that none of my uncles had a faggot dog, nor have any of my uncles shot faggot dogs or homophobic dogs for that matter
that was said in jest in a manner of what I wanted to portray and express as what I feel.

I may want less gays around, doesnt mean I will kill gays.

ok im not a real religous guy BUT the Bible does say that we have to make litle babies and populate the earth and up to date i havnt heard of two guys having a baby and i think that it is written somewhere that homos will burn in hell... i think as i said im not a priest or anything i just think its wrong...very wrong.

why? would it change the person that they are?

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Hmmm...so maybe it's time to step up and say that a lot of ppl here are leaning towards what they call a Naturalistic Fallacy. That is to say that you are assuming that what is 'natural' is good, or morally right, just because it is natural.

Of course, some could even argue that homosexuality does occur in nature, which could be said to make it natural in any case. ---> link

What is natural? If everyone is so against this 'unnaturalness' it seems to me we should all be eating raw meat and living in trees.

aids comes from the hol

'nuff sed

Homos are disgusting and wrong. They are psychologically broken and should seek help instead of indulging their disorder.

People should stop being accepting of gays. That is why there are so many nowadays.

>< oi... Homo's.. OMW.. WTF.. Tell me plz, WTF WOULD CHOOSE A FEMALE over a hole where shit comes out of.. That in itself is just plain disguisting and unnatural..
Wat do u clean ur with Rectum b4 a quicky?? i mean comon, plz.. And yes, it is unnatural..
1) If males were ment 2 b 2gether men would have fallen pregnant 2(hence the fact that there r sperm and eggs..) not 2 difficult..
2) No other Animal on the face of the earth are homo's besides some monkeys, and this is only for when there is a regrouping of the clan, after a fight.
3) Natural instincts of a man is 2 love a woman, till some1 decides 2 b "diff" and go bum a man.. dude that isnt diff... thats just sick and down right wrong..

And its amazing how just about every religion preaches against homosexuality, not just some. all.. and dont tune me this kak abt Christians in America claiming that homosexuality is fine, because if those ppl actually read there bibles and read Romans i promise u, things would b different..

God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and steve..

Look, I have always been telling myself to keep an "open mind" about this whole homosexual issue...

But I just can't help wanting to throw up when I see guys together holding hands and/or making out. And I also believe it's a choice you make, not something forced upon you...

Well,

I've also been clearheaded about this homo situation,
I always said

"I don't mind, as long as they leave my HOL alone and just leave me the f*% alone",

but these days it really is getting too worse, and the idea is making me really, really sick,

God made man and woman for each other like a mic plug plugs into a hifi, NOT like
a mic plug that plugs into a ROLO bar...

In my eyes the whole gay and homo thing is only a FASHION and MONEY-MAKING scheme ... think about it ....

Well, that my seeing on this topic.

Pulse

Why is this such an issue? Let people do what they want.

Sure I think its disgusting and wrong, but I also think that you bible bashers are just as stupid, but thats my feelings on it, I am not going to go out of my way to try and make you see the "light"

Another thing, how many of you guys have had anal sex with yr gf? How many have watched anal porn? Is that any different?

Let people do what makes them happy, as long as they do not break any laws its all good

V/good Post there Pheonix.... I must read some of the other articles later on.

Pulse... think of this... why would someone want to be ridiculed and discriminated against just for fashion and money? And lol.... gay ppl don't go for str8 ppl's HOL'S, unless they are the skanky type of ghei ppl.

If I had the choice between being ghei or str8, I would choose str8... so pls don't tell me that there is a choice. Just like you get grossed out when two men kiss, or touch eachother, and have sex.... that also happens to me.. well I don't want to see a man and a woman having sex, but I don't mind the kissing and touching part....

Aids isn't only a gay disease, it affects everyone.

The bible is a book, and interpretation of god. If god thinks it is wrong, let him come down from his cloud and tell us that. The bible was written by humans, and not by god.

Milliepit... read Phoenix's post.

Blessed_confusion_reigns.... There have always been alot of gheis... they were just afraid to come out of the proverbial closet, because they were persecuted under the old laws.

Cheerio for now....

They might not, but they still hit on straight ppl. Some of them actually see if they can score with a straight male. It has happened before, and it will happen again.



I would prefer if you refrain from making statements like these......

Oops.

fight club hey, anything goes

What we say offends him, what he says offends you, thats just the way it is