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![]() flamesuit: engage! Group: Administration Posts: 3,352 Joined: 30-January 04 From: The Boneyard Member No.: 2,543 Sex: Male |
Since I'm in the mood for a good debate, I thought I'd post a list I found which provides 15 reasons for the legalization of drugs. I did a search on the topic, but the last debate on weed was over a year old; besides, this list provides several new points for discussion. There are a couple problems with the list, so let me point them out before someone else does. The list itself also mentions drugs other than marijuana, but I believe the points being argued can be applied to any drug. Also, the list is several years old; do you think these points are still relevant now? I think some are even more applicable than they use to be. Also, the article refers to the US in it's examples, but again, most of them are just as relevant here. My opinion is that weed should be legalized, as controlled distribution of it would surely solve a lot of issues. I don't smoke it now myself, but I did my fair share back in the day Anyway, here's the list (main points are in bold if you're too lazy to read it all): QUOTE REASONS TO LEGALIZE DRUGS
There are no panaceas in the world but, for social afflictions, legalizing drugs comes possibly as close as any single policy could. Removing legal penalties from the production, sale and use of "controlled substances" would alleviate at least a dozen of our biggest social or political problems. With proposals for legalization finally in the public eye, there might be a use for some sort of catalog listing the benefits of legalization. For advocates, it is an inventory of facts and arguments. For opponents, it is a record of the problems they might be helping to perpetuate. The list is intended both as a resource for those wishing to participate in the legalization debate and as a starting point for those wishing to get deeper into it. Are we ready to stop wringing our hands and start solving problems? 1. Legalizing drugs would make our streets and homes safer. As Jeffrey Rogers Hummel notes ("Heroin: The Shocking Story," April 1988), estimates vary widely for the proportion of violent and property crime related to drugs. Forty percent is a midpoint figure. In an October 1987 survey by Wharton Econometrics for the U.S. Customs Service, the 739 police chiefs responding "blamed drugs for a fifth of the murders and rapes, a quarter car thefts, two-fifths of robberies and assaults and half the nation's burglaries and thefts." The theoretical and statistical links between drugs and crime are well established. In a 2 1/2-year study of Detroit crime, Lester P. Silverman, former associate director of the National Academy of Sciences' Assembly of Behavior and Social Sciences, found that a 10 percent increase in the price of heroin alone "produced an increase of 3.1 percent total property crimes in poor nonwhite neighborhoods." Armed robbery jumped 6.4 percent and simple assault by 5.6 percent throughout the city. The reasons are not difficult to understand. When law enforcement restricts the supply of drugs, the price of drugs rises. In 1984, a kilogram of cocaine worth $4000 in Colombia sold at wholesale for $30,000, and at retail in the United States for some $300,000. At the time a Drug Enforcement Administration spokesman noted, matter-of-factly, that the wholesale price doubled in six months "due to crackdowns on producers and smugglers in Columbia and the U.S." There are no statistics indicating the additional number of people killed or mugged thanks to the DEA's crackdown on cocaine. For heroin the factory-to-retail price differential is even greater. According to U.S. News & World report, in 1985 a gram of pure heroin in Pakistan cost $5.07, but it sold for $2425 on the street in America--nearly a five-hundredfold jump. The unhappy consequence is that crime also rises, for at least four reasons: * Addicts must shell out hundreds of times the cost of goods, so they often must turn to crime to finance their habits. The higher the price goes, the more they need to steal to buy the same amount. * At the same time, those who deal or purchase the stuff find themselves carrying extremely valuable goods, and become attractive targets for assault. * Police officers and others suspected of being informants for law enforcement quickly become targets for reprisals. * The streets become literally a battleground for "turf" among competing dealers, as control over a particular block or intersection can net thousands of additional drug dollars per day. Conversely, if and when drugs are legalized, their price will collapse and so will the sundry drug-related motivations to commit crime. Consumers will no longer need to steal to support their habits. A packet of cocaine will be as tempting to grab from its owner as a pack of cigarettes is today. And drug dealers will be pushed out of the retail market by known retailers. When was the last time we saw employees of Rite Aid pharmacies shoot it out with Thrift Drugs for a corner storefront? When drugs become legal, we will be able to sleep in our homes and walk the streets more safely. As one letter-writer to the Philadelphia Inquirer put it, "law-abiding citizens will be able to enjoy not living in fear of assault and burglary." 2. It would put an end to prison overcrowding. Prison overcrowding is a serious and persistent problem. It makes the prison environment, violent and faceless to begin with, even more dangerous and dehumanizing. According to the 1988 Statistical Abstract of the United States, between 1979 and 1985 the number of people in federal and state prisons and local jails grew by 57.8 percent, nine time faster than the general population. Governments at all levels keep building more prisons, but the number of prisoners keeps outpacing the capacity to hold them. According to the Federal Bureau of Prisons' 1985 Statistical Report, as of September 30 of that year federal institutions held 35,959 prisoners-41 percent over the rated prison capacity of 25,638. State prisons were 114 percent of capacity in 1986. Of 31,346 sentenced prisoners in federal institutions, those in for drug law violations were the largest single category, 9487. (A total of 4613 were in prison but not yet sentenced under various charges.) Legalizing drugs would immediately relieve the pressure on the prison system, since there would no longer be "drug offenders" to incarcerate. And, since many drug users would no longer need to commit violent or property crime to pay for their habits, there would be fewer "real" criminals to house in the first place. Instead of building more prisons, we could pocket the money and still be safer. Removing the 9487 drug inmates would leave 26,472. Of those, 7200 were in for assault, burglary, larceny-theft, or robbery. If the proportion of such crimes that is related to drugs is 40 percent, without drug laws another 2900 persons would never have made it to federal prison. The inmates who remained would be left in a less cruel, degrading environment. If we repealed the drug laws, we could eventually bring the prison population down comfortably below the prison's rated capacity. 3. Drug legalization would free up police resources to fight crimes against people and property. The considerable police efforts now expended against drug activity and drug-related crime could be redirected toward protecting innocent people from those who would still commit crime in the absence of drug laws. The police could protect us more effectively, as it could focus resources on catching rapists, murderers and the remaining perpetrators of crimes against people and property. 4. It would unclog the court system. If you are accused of a crime, it takes months to bring you to trial. Guilty or innocent, you must live with the anxiety of impending trial until the trial finally begins. The process is even more sluggish for civil proceedings. There simply aren't enough judges to handle the skyrocketing caseload. Because it would cut crime and eliminate drugs as a type of crime, legislation would wipe tens of thousands of cases off the court dockets across the continent, permitting the rest to move sooner and faster. Prosecutors would have more time to handle each case; judges could make more considered opinions. Improved efficiency at the lower levels would have a ripple effect on higher courts. Better decisions in the lower courts would yield fewer grounds for appeals, reduing the caseloads of appeals courts; and in any event there would be fewer cases to review in the first place. 5. It would reduce official corruption. Drug-related police corruption takes one of two major forms. Police officers can offer drug dealers protection in their districts for a share of the profits (or demand a share under threat of exposure). Or they can seize dealer's merchandise for sale themselves. Seven current or former Philadelphia police officers were indicted May 31 on charges of falsifying records of money and drugs confiscated from dealers. During a house search, one man turned over $20,000 he had made from marijuana sales, but the officers gave him a "receipt" for $1870. Another dealer, reports The Inquirer, "told the grand jury he was charged with possession of five pounds of marijuana, although 11 pounds were found in his house." In Miami, 59 officers have been fired or suspended since 1985 for suspicion of wrongdoing. The police chief and investigators expect the number eventually to approach 100. As The Palm Beach Post reported, "That would mean about one in 100 officers on the thousand man force will have been tainted by one form of scandal or another." Most of the 59 have been accused of trafficking, possessing or using illegal drugs. In the biggest single case, 17 officers allegedly participated in a ring that stole $15 million worth of cocaine from dealers "and even traffic violators." What distinguishes the Miami scandal is that "Police are alleged to be drug traffickers themselves, not just protectors of criminals who are engaged in illegal activities," said The post. According to James Frye, a criminologist at American University in Washington, the gravity of the situation in Miami today is comparable to Prohibition-era Chicago in the 1920s and '30s. It is apt comparison. And the problem is not limited to Miami and Philadelphia. The astronomical profits from the illegal drug trade are a powerful incentive on the part of law enforcement agents to partake from the proceeds. Legalizing the drug trade outright would eliminate this inducement to corruption and help to clean up the police's image. Eliminating drug-related corruption cases would further reduce the strain on the courts, freeing judges and investigators to handle other cases more thoroughly and expeditiously. 6. Legalization would save tax money. Efforts to interdict the drug traffic alone cost $6.2 billion in 1986, according to Wharton Econometrics of Bala Cynwyd, Pa. If we ad the cost of trying and incarcerating users, traffickers, and those who commit crime to pay for their drugs, the tab runs well above $10 billion. The crisis in inmate housing would disappear, saving taxpayers the expense of building more prisons in the future. As we've noted above, savings would be redirected toward better police protection and speedier judicial service. Or it could be converted into savings for taxpayers. Or the federal portion of the costs could be applied toward the budget deficit. For a change, it's a happy problem to ponder. But it takes legalization to make it possible. 7. It would cripple organized crime. The Mafia (heroin), Jamaican gangs (crack), and the Medellin Cartel (cocaine) stand to lose billions in drug profits from legalization. On a per-capita basis, members of organized crime, particularly at the top, stand to lose the most from legalizing the drug trade. The underworld became big business in the United States when alcohol was prohibited. Few others would risk setting up the distribution networks, bribing officials or having to shoot up a policeman or competitor once in a while. When alcohol was re-legalized, reputable manufacturers took over. The risk and the high profits went out of the alcohol trade. Even if they wanted to keep control over it, the gangsters could not have targeted every manufacturer and every beer store. The profits from illegal alcohol were minuscule compared to the yield from today's illegal drugs. They are the underworld's last great, greatest, source of illegal income--dwarfing anything to be made fromgambling, prostitution or other vice. Legalizing drugs would knock out this huge prop from under organized crime. Smugglers and pushers would have to go aboveboard or go out of business. There simply wouldn't be enough other criminal endeavors to employ them all. If we are concerned about the influence of organized crime on government, industry and our own personal safety, we could strike no single more damaging blow against today's gangsters than to legalize drugs. 8. Legal drugs would be safer. Legalization is a consumer protection issue. Because it is illegal, the drug trade today lacks many of the consumer safety features common to other markets: instruction sheets, warning labels, product quality control, manufacturer accountability. Driving it underground makes any product, including drugs, more dangerous than it needs to be. Nobody denies that currently illegal drugs can be dangerous. But so can aspirin, countless other over-the-counter drugs and common household items; yet the proven hazards of matches, modeling glue and lawn mowers are not used as reasons to make them all illegal. Practically anything can kill if used in certain ways. Like heroin, salt can make you sick or dead if you take enough of it. The point is to learn what the threshold is, and to keep below it. That many things can kill is not a reason to prohibit them all--it is a reason to find out how to handle products to provide the desired action safely. The same goes for drugs. Today's drug consumer literally doesn't know what he's buying. The stuff is so valuable that sellers have an incentive to "cut" (dilute) the product with foreign substances that look like the real thing. Most street heroin is only 3 to 6 percent pure; street cocaine, 10 to 15 percent. Since purity varies greatly, consumers can never be really sure how much to take to produce the desired effects. If you're used to 3 percent heroin and take a 5 percent dose, suddenly you've nearly doubled your intake. Manufacturers offering drugs on the open market would face different incentives than pushers. They rely on name-brand recognition to build market share, and on customer loyalty to maintain it. There would be a powerful incentive to provide a product of uniform quality: killing customers or losing them to competitors is not a proven way to success. Today, dealers can make so much off a single sale that the incentive to cultivate a clientele is weak. In fact, police persecution makes it imperative to move on, damn the customers. Pushers don't provide labels or instructions, let alone mailing addresses. The illegal nature of the business makes such things unnecessary or dangerous to the enterprise. After legalization, pharmaceutical companies could safely try to win each other's customers--or guard against liability suits--with better information and more reliable products. Even pure heroin on the open market would be safer than today's impure drugs. As long as customers know what they're getting and what it does, they can adjust their dosages to obtain the intended effect safely. Information is the best protection against the potential hazards of drugs or any other product. Legalizing drugs would promote consumer health and safety. 9. Legalization would help stem the spread of AIDS and other diseases. As D.R. Blackmon notes ("Moral Deaths," June 1988), drug prohibition has helped propagate AIDS among intravenous drug users. Because IV drug users utilize hypodermic needles to inject heroin and other narcotics, access to needles is restricted. The dearth of needles leads users to share them. If one IV user has infected blood and some enters the needle as it is pulled out, the next user may shoot the infectious agent directly into his own bloodstream. Before the AIDS epidemic, this process was already known to spread other diseases, principally hepatitis B. Legalizing drugs would eliminate the motivation to restrict the sale of hypodermic needles. With needles cheap and freely available, the drug users would have little need to share them and risk acquiring someone else's virus. Despite the pain and mess involved, injection became popular because, as The Washington Times put it, "that's the way to get the biggest, longest high for the money." Inexpensive, legal heroin, on the other hand, would enable customers to get the same effect (using a greater amount) from more hygienic methods such as smoking or swallowing--cutting further into the use of needles and further slowing the spread of AIDS. 10. Legalization would halt the erosion of other personal liberties. Hundreds of governments and corporations have used the alleged costs of drugs to begin testing their employees for drugs. Pennsylvania Rep. Robert Walker has embarked on a crusade to withhold the federal money carrot from any company or agency that doesn't guarantee a "drug-free workplace." The federal government has pressured foreign countries to grant access to bank records so it can check for "laundered" drug money. Because drug dealers handle lots of cash, domestic banks are now required to report cash deposits over $10,000 to the Internal Revenue Service for evidence of illicit profit. The concerns (excesses?) that led to all of these would disappear ipso facto with drg legalization. Before drugs became big business, investors could put their money in secure banks abroad without fear of harassment. Mom-and-pop stores could deposit their cash receipts unafraid that they might look like criminals. Nobody makes a test for urine levels of sugar or caffeine a requirement for employment or grounds for dismissal. However, were they declared illegal these would certainly become a lot riskier to use, and hence a possible target for testing "for the sake of our employees." Legalizing today's illegal drugs would make them safer, deflating the drive to test for drug use. 11. It would stabilize foreign countries and make them safer to live in and travel to. The connection between drug traffickers and and guerrilla groups is fairly well documented (see "One More Reason," August 1987). South American revolutionaries have developed a symbiotic relationship with with coca growers and smugglers: the guerrillas protect the growers and smugglers in echange for cash to finance their subversive activities. in Peru, competing guerrilla groups, the Shining Path and the Tupac Amaru, fight for the lucrative right to represent coca farmers before drug traffickers. Traffickers themselves are well prepared to defend their crops against intruding government forces. A Peruvian military helicopter was destroyed with bazooka fire in March, 1987, and 23 police officers were killed. The following June, drug dealers attacked a camp of national guardsmen in Venezuela, killing 13. In Colombia, scores of police officers, more than 20 judges, two newspaper editors, the attorney general and the justice minister have been killed in that country's war against cocaine traffickers. Two supreme court justices, including the court president, have resigned following death threats. The Palace of Justice was sacked in 1985 as guerrillas destroyed the records of dozens of drug dealers. "This looks like Beirut," said the mayor of Medellin, Colombia, after a bomb ripped apart a city block where the reputed head of the Medellin Cartel lives. It "is a waning of where the madness of the violence that afflicts us can bring us." Legalizing the international drug trade would affect organized crime and subversion abroad much as it would in the United States. A major source for guerrilla funding would disappear. So would the motive for kidnapping or assassinating officials and private individuals. As in the United States, ordinary Colombians and Peruvians once again could walk the streets and travel the roads without fear of drug-related violence. Countries would no longer be paralyzed by smugglers. 12. Legalization would repair U.S. relations with other countries and curtail anti-American sentiment around the world. a. When Honduran authorities spirited away alleged drug lord Juan Matta Ballesteros and had him extradited to the United States in April, Hondurans rioted in the streets and demonstrated for days at the U.S. embassy in Tegucigulpa. The action violated Honduras's constitution, which prohibits extradition. Regardless of what Matta may have done, many Hondurans viewed the episode as a flagrant violation of their little country's laws, just to satisfy the wishes of the colossus up North. b. When the U.S. government, in July 1986, sent Army troops and helicopters to raid cocaine factories in Bolivia, Bolivians were outraged. The constitution "has been trampled," said the president of Bolivia's House of Representatives. The country's constitution requires congressional approval for any foreign military presence. c. One thousand coca growers marched through the capital, La Paz, chanting "Death to the United States" and "Up with Coca" last May in protest over a U.S.-sponsored bill to prohibit most coca production. In late June, 5000 angry farmers overran a U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration jungle base, demanding the 40 American soldiers and drug agents there leave immediately. U.S. pressure on foreign governments to fight their domestic drug industries has clearly reinforced the image of America as an imperialist bully, blithely indifferent to the concerns of other peoples. To Bolivian coca farmers, the U.S. government is not a beacon of freedom, but a threat to their livelihoods. To many Hondurans it seems that their government will ignore its own constitution on request from Uncle Sam. Leftists exploit such episodes to fan nationalistic sentiment to promote their agendas. Legalizing the drug trade would remove some of the reasons to hate America and deprive local politicians of the chance to exploit them. The U.S. would have a new opportunity to repair its reputation in an atmosphere of mutual respect. 13. Legalization would prevent children from consuming drugs. They can get them now in the black market -- it is impossible to control. If drugs were sold legally through pharmacies, black market would be inexistent, so children would have it harder to get drugs, and, even if they could manage to get them, drugs would be safer (no adulteration, impurities, etc), and certainly better than inhaling glue or gasoline. 14. Legalization would encourage pharmaceutical companies the research of safer and healthier drugs. Well, if you discover a drug which produces the same effect as other one but is safer, you will win the customers of the other companies, and hence increase your benefits (and at the same time the health of your customers). Perhaps the government ought to subsidize drug research towards substitutes for current recreational drugs safer, healthier and less or not addictive. 15. Legalization could teach people to live safe with drugs. Last but not least, the money saved from the WOSD, or just the money from drug taxes (well, they would be taxed, of course) could be redirect to the cure of drug addicts (if they want, I mean), the subsidies for drug research, and also to teach people the _true_ real problems associated with drugs, and the responsible and knowledgeable use of them. -------------------- |
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Jun 26 2004, 03:37 AM
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![]() Senior Member Group: Senior Posts: 181 Joined: 23-February 03 From: Kimberley Member No.: 897 Sex: Male |
nice points, but i think some of the things are far fetched?
-------------------- Wh0 CaReS 'bOuT SpeCs???[COLOR=blue][B][U]
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Jun 26 2004, 04:05 AM
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![]() Scurvy Crew Group: Elite Posts: 324 Joined: 9-March 03 From: JHB Member No.: 935 Sex: Male |
and will decrease unemployment becuase the demand for undertakers will be on an all time "high"!
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Jun 26 2004, 04:12 AM
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![]() HEAHEO MR FAGGOTHMANS Group: Senior Posts: 154 Joined: 8-September 03 From: Beijing, China Member No.: 1,656 Sex: Male |
SA can make millions by selling Ganja. We can make billions by selling Ivory from DEAD animals in our national parks.
We have so much potential. Take a walk through the hills of Knysna..... -------------------- ![]() HAHA IM NOT WAERING UNDERWEAR!@` |
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Jun 27 2004, 02:56 AM
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![]() Student of Pai Mei Group: Senior Posts: 174 Joined: 31-August 03 From: JHB Member No.: 1,611 |
To be considered:
QUOTE 1. Legalizing drugs would make our streets and homes safer. Er what? Seems to me that the junkies will STILL be stealing to fund their habit. Decreasing the prices will only mean more people can afford to develop the habit - and no that's not the same as cigs, because hard drugs are more psychoactive and so far more necessary to the user. So we have more unemployed/homeless drug dependents because of increased availability. Our economy crashes. Everyone loses their job. We all turn to theft and prostitution to survive. America swoops in to 'help' and help us out of this cesspit. Our once proud nation becomes GW Bush's bitch in Africa. Zimbabweans laugh at our currency and the refugees spilling across their borders. Oh, and as the only country with legalisation of recreational drugs all the mobsters decide it's the very best place to set up camp in order to launder money or send people to sleep with the fishies or whatever they do. -------------------- "In life, as in breakfast cereal, it is always best to read the instructions on the box."
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Jun 27 2004, 09:34 AM
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![]() Senior Member Group: Senior Posts: 307 Joined: 29-November 03 From: Cape Town Member No.: 2,283 Sex: Male |
Cigarettes are legal... why not dagga? Cigarettes are lame because you smoke them because you're addicted. Dagga you smoke because its nice and gives a nice feeling.
dagga > cigs(lame) |
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Jun 27 2004, 09:57 AM
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Inspired by JC Group: V9 Mod Posts: 5,942 Joined: 22-April 02 From: The School Of Hard Knocks Member No.: 91 Sex: Male |
QUOTE Cigarettes are legal... why not dagga? Cigarettes are lame because you smoke them because you're addicted. Dagga you smoke because its nice and gives a nice feeling. Dagga is also addictive. Dagga may be more natural that cigs, but is not healthy. Dagga contains a LOT of harmful chemicals as well. Just browsing through the 15 reasons provided for the lagalisation of dagga is amusing really... QUOTE 13. Legalization would prevent children from consuming drugs. They can get them now in the black market -- it is impossible to control. If drugs were sold legally through pharmacies, black market would be inexistent, so children would have it harder to get drugs, and, even if they could manage to get them, drugs would be safer (no adulteration, impurities, etc), and certainly better than inhaling glue or gasoline. I mean, you get high for a few minutes, but what about the lung damage in the long run? -------------------- "Bigotry and hatred are enemies to us all. Grace, mercy and forgiveness will help a man walk tall." - John Mellencamp "There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Hamlet "I'd rather be a failure at something I love, than a success at something I hate." - George Burns |
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Jun 27 2004, 10:05 AM
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GO NINJA GO NINJA GO! Group: Elite Posts: 1,535 Joined: 11-November 02 From: Randburg, South Africa Member No.: 720 Sex: Male |
marijuana is like magic fairy dust that was never labelled. You might live a long and happy (very happy) life, or you can get a heart attack(from other causes) and die on the spot.
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Jun 27 2004, 10:47 PM
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![]() Senior Member Group: Senior Posts: 194 Joined: 30-May 04 Member No.: 3,029 |
All 15 of those reasons are shortsighted and not considered carefully. Every "advantage" that the author cites opens up ten other cans of worms.
However, I believe it comes down to personal choice whether you want to use it or not. The crime that stems from the drug trade is a big cause for concern, though. This also begs the question - what is more dangerous to your health? Smoking ganja every day or having a Big Mac McMeal everyday, supersized? I personally believe alchohol to be MUCH more disruptive to society than marijuana, yet alchohol is freely available. |
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Jun 28 2004, 01:35 PM
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![]() Genius/Spammer Group: Elite Posts: 2,689 Joined: 6-May 03 From: Pretoria Member No.: 1,136 Sex: Male |
I feel that it should be up to the individual to choose whether or not to use drugs, any drugs.
Prohibition creates the environment in which the black market thrives, just look to the US and its alcohol prohibition. END! |
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Jun 28 2004, 01:53 PM
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![]() Full Member Group: V9 Mod Posts: 837 Joined: 7-February 04 Member No.: 2,574 Sex: Male |
None of these reasons are very solid.
This is my favourite... QUOTE 13. Legalization would prevent children from consuming drugs. They can get them now in the black market -- it is impossible to control. If drugs were sold legally through pharmacies, black market would be inexistent, so children would have it harder to get drugs, and, even if they could manage to get them, drugs would be safer (no adulteration, impurities, etc), and certainly better than inhaling glue or gasoline. Is that weak or what? -------------------- |
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Jun 28 2004, 02:02 PM
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![]() Genius/Spammer Group: Elite Posts: 2,689 Joined: 6-May 03 From: Pretoria Member No.: 1,136 Sex: Male |
Drugs would be safer... just ask Brenda Fassie!
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Jun 28 2004, 02:11 PM
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![]() nice Group: Elite Posts: 1,364 Joined: 10-November 02 From: Sandton Member No.: 716 Sex: Male |
drugs are for weaklings. this legalisation would encourage this deviant and self destructive behaviour and attract more people to drugs.
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Jun 28 2004, 11:33 PM
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GO NINJA GO NINJA GO! Group: Elite Posts: 1,535 Joined: 11-November 02 From: Randburg, South Africa Member No.: 720 Sex: Male |
hey, the topic of conversation here is Marijuana, not drugs. Marijuana lies on a completely different category than heroine KTHNX
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Jun 29 2004, 12:10 AM
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Inspired by JC Group: V9 Mod Posts: 5,942 Joined: 22-April 02 From: The School Of Hard Knocks Member No.: 91 Sex: Male |
Dagga may be natural, but it still does long-term damage...
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Jun 29 2004, 12:28 AM
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GO NINJA GO NINJA GO! Group: Elite Posts: 1,535 Joined: 11-November 02 From: Randburg, South Africa Member No.: 720 Sex: Male |
proof please :(
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Jun 29 2004, 01:29 AM
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GO NINJA GO NINJA GO! Group: Elite Posts: 1,535 Joined: 11-November 02 From: Randburg, South Africa Member No.: 720 Sex: Male |
link
Minimal Long-term Effects Of Marijuana Use Found In Central Nervous System By UCSD Researchers An analysis of research studies with long-term, recreational users of marijuana has failed to reveal a substantial, systematic effect on the neurocognitive functioning of users. According to researchers at the University of California, San Diego (UCSD) School of Medicine, the only deleterious side effect found was a minimal malfunction in the domains of learning and forgetting. Sounds terrible harmful to me... and before anyone bitches about the article, please read it. It was a study done with 704 long-term cannabis users and 484 non-users conducted at the University of California, which is alot more to say that the other sites on the web claiming that marijuana "might" cause cancer etc etc etc. Smoking marijuana is also not the only way of getting it into your body. You can also consume it, whereby negating the possible damage to your lungs. This post has been edited by aquadog: Jun 29 2004, 01:30 AM |
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Jun 29 2004, 01:32 AM
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![]() Regular Member Group: Senior Posts: 37 Joined: 17-May 04 From: jhb Member No.: 2,936 |
FIGHT THE WAR FUCK THE NORM!
do whatever makes you happy, regardless of the proof and studies, if it makes you feel good, and you're not harming anyone else through your actions, then UP YOURS to anyone else's opinions and 'conclusive-proof-studies' bollocks the end -------------------- _
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Jun 29 2004, 02:14 AM
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![]() Senior Member Group: Senior Posts: 272 Joined: 21-September 03 From: Cape Town Member No.: 1,785 |
Come to CT and see what this shit does to ppl lol. Tryical conversation with a Woodstock person follows below:
`Heeeyyyy dude, like what`s up? My old lady and me just scored some zoll from that dude over there. Shooo I`m so stoned now (big grin), you want some to fly heeeyyyy? Now we got the munchies, need a half loaf of bread and some milk....` Fcuking idiots. I would rather be doing coke again than ever smoking this shit. Not attacking anyone here who does it and I could`nt give a fcuk about how good or bad it is for you, but the effects it has on ppl gets to me, when they start saying `Ohhh I`m so fcuked now, shhweeet` *andy starts to clench fist* Like Kash pointed out, all to his own -------------------- we hurt the ones we love the most -Shakespear's Sister |
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Jun 29 2004, 02:20 AM
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![]() Senior Member Group: Senior Posts: 194 Joined: 30-May 04 Member No.: 3,029 |
I wanna recount a funny little thing that happened to me way back in 'varsity. My friends and I went to visit a pal who was sick in his digs, anyway we were talking kak and so on, and we made some coffee. We wanted some cookies or something, my pal didn't have any but sed we should ask his housemate next door. Asked the housemate, he said "sure, look in the cupboard", anyway, I looked and found a cookie tin. You guessed it - dagga cookies, chocolate chipped. (The REAL cookies he meant were in the NEXT cupboard). Unknowingly and eagerly grabbing a handful, we started munching. I had THREE! It wasn't long and I was blotto (I'd never even touched any drugs before then). Heheh. The strange part about it is the following story: In my doped state, I kept hearing this "swish, swish...swish, swish" sound. I was the only one who heard it. It sounded like someone polishing shoes with a brush. It was bugging the crap outta me, so I went to the digs nextdoor (a different house) to investigate. I knocked on the doors, and sure as hell, there was a guy who was polishing his goddamn shoes! This all goes to show how it can affect you - in my case it affected the filtering action of my basal nucleui in my brain, enabling me to hear the swishing noise through four sets of walls from the house next door...wacko! I've steered clear of weed from that day on, the biggest single effect it had on me is that is makes you extremely fucking dumb while you're stoned. |
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Lo-Fi Version | Time is now: 21st March 2010 - 10:43 PM |