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> HD 2900 XT vs. 8800 GTS 320MB, ATi gets owned?
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post Jun 14 2007, 12:31 AM
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This evaluation is the embodiment of what video card value is to the gamer. We have a video card, the 320 MB GeForce 8800 GTS at around $289 providing a noticeable gameplay experience advantage compared to the ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT that costs $409. In some cases the performance gap is very wide (S.T.A.K.E.R. and BF 2142), in other games performance is closer (Oblivion, Lost Planet), but in most cases the 320 MB GeForce 8800 GTS is providing higher framerates than the ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT sometimes equating to a better gaming experience.

The 8800 GTS 320MB video card is $120 less expensive and provides a gaming experience that is equal to or superior to the HD 2900 XT. Not only that, but as our original evaluation proved the ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT uses much more power than a GeForce 8800 GTS! The 8800 GTS is simply more efficient both in terms of power and performance.

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Damn, and I was getting exited about the 2900. Let's hope the next batch (with more RAM, etc.) are going to be a bit beefier.


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post Jun 14 2007, 02:04 AM
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Ag crap!
I hope its driver related. We REALLY need competition in the gfx sector.
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post Jun 14 2007, 05:36 AM
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OMG those people don't know wtf they are doing...

firstly those benchmarks are not REAL! or they have a predated GPU that they pitting up against the 320mb because the x2900xt is priced and equal in comparison to the 8800gts 640mb...

I smell some sort of bias from those people... ermm.gif they don't even state what system they used what ram what os etc... g.gif

if you want a proper review then read this instead:

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Hey everybody, and welcome to the Radeon HD 2000 Series article. Oh my gosh ... Have we all been waiting for this release a long time, or what? I mean initially we (the press) expected this release late last year already. And due to a complexity of issues (AMD and ATI merger), likely fabrication issues and a shift in fabrication process things got delayed; massively. So right now it's April 25th and today 175 press-members are returning from a long technical briefing in Tunisia and I can happily report to you that AMD has now released the ATI Radeon HD 2000 series of product... well, sort of.

What we'll be doing today is take a look at their new high-end product. As we speak, AMD is launching no less than five desktop graphics cards, but it is however not a hard launch. Worldwide you'll only see the one product released and available based on a 80nm fabrication process; the Radeon HD 2900 XT, a product that is going to be discussed and has been discussed a lot for sure.

So there are four other products as well. ATI is also launching an all new Radeon 2400 and 2600 series (low- and mid-range). These products will be based on the newer 65nm fabrication production process.

Let's have a brief overview of the five new graphics cards and on the next page we'll go a little deeper into the silicon that is Radeon HD 2000.

Radeon HD 2900 XT
Radeon HD 2600 XT
Radeon HD 2600 Pro
Radeon HD 2400 XT
Radeon HD 2400 Pro
Obviously for all products, we are talking about the next-gen product series here and that means 100% DirectX 10 compatible products, so you'll understand that we'll also talk a little about DX10, the Unified Shader Architecture with these lovely stream processors; a new function on the 2000 Series called Tessellation and last but not least; Avivo HD.

So we'll go rather in-depth today, yet bear in mind that we'll only test and thus benchmark the new Radeon HD 2900 XT graphics card. Now earlier on in the introduction I already told you guys that this is going to be a much discussed product. Why? As everybody expected it to be the new high-end product that would annihilate NVIDIA's excellent GeForce 8800 GTX series. That's not the case. You guys clearly have seen rumours, leaked benchmarks and what not. The HD 2900 XT as we'll show is a really fine piece of hardware but performance wise it sits among the GeForce 8800 GTS cards; if that gives you a better idea. The more interesting thing is it'll be a high-end product at a very interesting price-level. 399 USD. I've talked to a couple of board partners already, and here in Europe this red goblin is selling for 350 EUR !

That really doesn't sound bad, eh? AMD-ATI will take it a step further as all HD X2900 XT boards will be HDMI/HDCP ready, have Avivo HD and will be shipped with three full free games: Half-life2: Episode 2; Team Fortress 2 and Portal. These games are included as coupon (code) and you must download it yourself through Valve's steam. But yeah... great stuff.

Well; let's not get ahead of things ... We have a review to show you. Next page please !


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bottom line 8800gts 320mb < x2900xt 512 +- 8800gts 640mb


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post Jun 14 2007, 07:37 AM
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I dunno so much Fishy, I tend to trust reviews from HardOCP. Perhaps we need to see a few more reviews before we can make a reliable decision?
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post Jun 14 2007, 07:49 AM
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http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/dis...2900-games.html

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It is clear that the Radeon HD 2900 XT with its current drivers cannot compete against Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTX or Ultra, which, by the way, cost substantially more, the latter costs ($829 and up) more than two Radeon HD 2900 XT graphics cards, in fact. But maybe ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT is the best graphics card for $399?

Well, it is either as fast, or faster than GeForce 8800 GTS 640MB in most cases, but it has performance issues with such games as S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl , Neverwinter Nights 2 , Gothic 3 and probably some other. At some point those problems are going to be solved, but when – we do not know. So, performance-wise, ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT is a good solution.

In addition, AMD’s partners will include four free games with each Radeon HD 2900 XT graphics board: Half-Life 2: Episode 2 , Day of Defeat: Source , Team Fortress 2 and Portal . This increases overall value of the product to a gamer.

However, with sufficient performance and free games come power consumption of 161W as well as very noisy cooling system (at least, in case of our board) in addition to imperfect drivers, which, for example, do not allow to enable FSAA with edge-detect filter, something, which is projected to provide high image quality amid minimal performance drop. As a consequence of such driver limitation of the Radeon HD 2000, Nvidia’s GeForce 8800 can claim better image quality, as its CSAA works without an issue.

All-in-all, it is up to end-user to decide whether ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT is the best graphics card for $399 or not. It has a lot of advantages and the main one is truly extreme shader processing capabilities, but it also has a number of drawbacks.


firstly use your logic why would ati bring out a card priced @ 8800gts 640MB only to be worse than the 320MB???

anyhow need I say more?
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post Jun 14 2007, 07:54 AM
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Can you say '8600?' tongue.gif

I reckon we need some final cards and drivers before decisions can be made.
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post Jun 14 2007, 08:16 AM
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mm, nice games!
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post Jun 14 2007, 08:20 AM
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Are these cards available locally? If so, what price range are we looking at?


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They should be here soon, not available yet. I'm guessing they'll be around R3k starting price?
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Not worth it for what I do with my pc atm sad.gif
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post Jun 14 2007, 01:40 PM
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Correction these cards are here @ retail price of about R4000 odd...

Sonic Informed already have them, Slick can organise them

Even prophecy has it... much cheaper priced than the 8800gts 640mb
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So buy one and prove your point Fish biggrin.gif

I'll be waiting for a few months before I even consider getting one, I made the mistake of buying too early with my 7900.
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post Jun 15 2007, 01:14 AM
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hhahahaha I have no money to eat let alone buy stuff for my PC sad.gif
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QUOTE(Fishfly @ Jun 14 2007, 10:40 PM) *
Correction these cards are here @ retail price of about R4000 odd...

Sonic Informed already have them, Slick can organise them

Even prophecy has it... much cheaper priced than the 8800gts 640mb


LOL Fish.

I'm selling the Legend 8800 GTS 640mb for R3900 Inclusive of V.A.T and ex shipping.

In all honesty the 8800 series has matured drivers and are better cards in general to be honest. Less power, less heat and not just fast in synthetic benchmarks but in games too.

I can also get the HD2900XT Gecube edition for R4100 inc vat, ex shipping.

IF anybody is interested in these cards, just PM me.

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Hmmm after I've paid my other debts and the 2900 drivers are sorted we'll talk Slick biggrin.gif
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I would wait and see how the newer card performs... apprently it's rumoured to use the 65nm wafer and Gddr4 1024mb... so ya...

but personally I'd rather get the next generation GPU's as these DX10 cards are the initial batches and most like not see the light of day till next year
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Fish, that's not really a valid comparison, as you are taking a future tech card and comparing it to current tech.

My point is that: Right now, both cards are available.

Gecube HD2900XT - R4100
Legend 8800GTS 640mb - R3900

The 640 is proven to be faster in games, and not just synthetic benchmarks, it uses LESS power and has mature drivers compared to the ATI equivalent which uses, MORE power, a different power connector, and has immature drivers.
Not only is it more expensive (the ATI) but it doesn't have the edge in the display quality category anymore either (I used 8800 GTX on Vista Ultimate, and I can tell you, it looks AWESOME).

In my honest opinion, I think DAAMIT (amd/ati) only released the current HD2900 series to stop the Tidal Wave from nvidia, untill they release the 65nm cards and the XTX series. Untill then, nVidia are toasting ATI's based on sales.

Personally, i've never been a fanboy, I buy what's best currently, whether it be nVidia, ATI, AMD or Intel.

I'm eager to see, what ATI/AMD will do when the 8900 series cards from nVidia get launched (also drop in process 65nm, single card solution and faster).

Bottom line? Buy what you THINK is the best, and suits you, whether it be the ATI/nVidia cards, personally? I'd much rather go for the nVidia range....
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post Jun 15 2007, 03:01 AM
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lol no you misunderstood. Rust said he is going to wait, and as you stated yourself so why not wait and see what ATI/Nvidia's next offering offers? as you can clearly see ATI has not launched any flagship and I doubt would in the near future... but if you are going to wait then why not wait for the next generation GPU's before deciding?

The current cards like revision 1 for DX10 cards anyhow smile.gif


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The 640 is proven to be faster in games, and not just synthetic benchmarks, it uses LESS power and has mature drivers compared to the ATI equivalent which uses, MORE power, a different power connector, and has immature drivers.
Not only is it more expensive (the ATI) but it doesn't have the edge in the display quality category anymore either (I used 8800 GTX on Vista Ultimate, and I can tell you, it looks AWESOME).
yes BUT @ 2560x1600 resolution it looks like ati's offering tops the 640MB but as I said before best value for money at this point in time is the 8800gts 320MB

whilst the 640MB range if you have a 30' LCD then the ATI would be a better option only if you not worried about heat or power consumption

but GTX range there is no comparison smile.gif except the price sad.gif
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Ahh, valid point.

But then again, who games at 2560x1600 ? You? (not being sarcastic, just asking).

I own a BENQ FP 241W (1920x1200) and I can tell you, I really don't see anybody using a bigger monitor than that (especially the maintstream gamer) so really the ATI offering is appealing to a niche market.

Let's hope AMD pulls finger and gives us something to talk about (ie, a non-leakage, 8 pin power, slow card, like a X2950XTX 1gb DDR4).

I also have a POINT OF VIEW 8800 GTS 320mb going for R2800 inclusive if anybody is interested.
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damn that's cheap!

*sigh wish I had the moolah sad.gif

my friend does he's got a 30' and just went out and bought 2x8800gts 640 cos he was upset with the initial benchmarks on the x2900... I guess this is why I was saying that at higher rez the ati dominates more than the 640's biggrin.gif

I'm just a techie fundy even tho it'll be a cold day in hell if I can afford any new tech for a while crying.gif
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