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post Mar 29 2009, 01:21 PM
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The new cars are as ugly as shit. If you were not really familiar with all the regulation changes, you would be forgiven for thinking that you were watching old school cars on track.

Seems to have worked though, as Brawn GP hit a one/two as a debutant team, although I do question Barichello's move that caused some chaos at the start of the race. Still, well done to Brawn GP, which is a team that at one stage didn't seem as though it would make it.

The qualifying was also interesting, with positions changing more times than a prostitute's customers.

The rule/regulation changes may be good in terms of the smaller teams not lagging at the back of the field all the time, but goodness, those cars are fugly.


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post Mar 29 2009, 09:41 PM
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Yep, hope that this time Button makes full use of his talent/car as he already had a couple of chances.

Note: DANG!! those cars are ugly.


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post Mar 30 2009, 12:39 AM
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The only thing I don't like about the rule change is the fact that Winner takes all story... now racers are just going to retire if they not #1


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post Mar 30 2009, 03:37 AM
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Fishy, that rule only takes effect in 2010, this year is the same as last year
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post Mar 30 2009, 04:19 AM
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The drivers and teams are against that rule. I hope that it does not come into effect.
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post Mar 30 2009, 10:59 PM
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I like the new rule of winner takes all, after all, racing is about winning, not about be consistently mediocre.
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post Mar 31 2009, 07:00 AM
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I like the new rule of winner takes all, after all, racing is about winning, not about be consistently mediocre.
but F1 is all about quality and speed... not like stock car racing...
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post Mar 31 2009, 10:31 PM
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The problem with the rule changes that have taken place (over recent years) is that they restrict speed, which is really what F1 is supposed to be about (and as fishy mentioned, quality [of engines, etc]). Look at the lap record, it is still held by Schumi, and was set back in 2004. I miss the days when year after year, track after track, we got to see lap records getting broken.

With Honda bowing out at the end of last year, and Super Aguri earlier on in the season, I can understand that not all teams can afford to build the fastest and best cars, but damn, I sure do miss the glory days of F1. Hopefully once this global financial "crisis" comes to an end, they can relook at the constraints that have been placed on the sport in recent years. At this rate, A1 might become more appealing in time. puke.gif

I am more than pleased with the current championship structure. I feel that consistency is the way to go. If the "most wins takes it" philosophy comes into play, that could actually harm the sport more than anything else. What if Massa rakes up enough wins early on in the season? Then he can just sit back and take it easy. While the Constructor's Championship is more important than the Driver's, let's face it, we all prefer the Driver's title. Last year again, we had things come down to the wire, and that was GREAT. You remember what it was like early on in this decade, when Ferrari/Schumi dominated the sport and things rarely went to the wire, and the races were boring? Let's face it, even as a Ferrari fan, you can't say that that was good for the sport. It should come down to teams with the budgets that can sustain having competitive cars, and not just small-time teams like Super Aguri who have hopes, but not the cash to keep up. Look at how well BMW did last year (and they could have done better had they not focused on this year's car), simply because they had the budget to make a proper effort. Toyota are coming right (although with their budget, you would haev expected a competitive package YEARS ago).
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I like the new rule of winner takes all, after all, racing is about winning, not about be consistently mediocre.

Put some thought into that statement.

1 guy wins 3 races. he crashes out almost every other race. But he has most race wins for the season.

Other guy comes 2nd consistently.

I want the consistent driver as the champ thank you very much.


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post Apr 6 2009, 12:08 AM
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What a mess. If historically a certain time of day has shown that rain falls, why have the race running into this particular time? Greed is a terrible thing. sad.gif
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post Apr 6 2009, 10:52 PM
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why have the race running into this particular time?

Hoorah for European broadcast times! tongue.gif
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Well, after watching the first two races of the season, I can confidently say that the racing is much more interesting, I've even seen some overtaking! yaaaay!

The crappy bits: 1. The cars look like Hoovers from the front with their upity rear wings and wider front wings.

2. The KERS system sucks! I can just image what was going on in the meeting room when this was decided. "I know! lets add a boost button! like in Burnout! that would be AWESOME!!!" Nu uh, This is F1 not bloody SEGA, adding computer game features to race cars, puh-lease.

3. So much for the medal system, i thought that was a great idea. The current point system rewards mediocrity. This is F1! the pinnacle of motor sports, there is no room for mediocrity, Most wins WINS, period. Winning a championship because you came consistently second sucks. Hopefully the medal system will be implemented next year.


As for the "slowness" of the cars, that is one we will never win, every year they try to slow down the cars for safety reasons, There are still standing track records from 1987 set by Mansell's Sega Benneton (or was it a renault?) Unfortunately the mad 80's are gone. Personally, I think instead of making regulations to make the cars slower and safer, rather put regulations in place that makes the cars stronger and safer. think about it, maybe it won't be open wheel racing anymore, maybe drivers will end up being incased in a titanium rollcages with crumple zones etc. Bring back computer driving aids. I feel that since F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport, it should have very little regulations besides the obvious safety regs. But other than that, the regs should loosen up a bit, allow teams to come up with interesting and varied body designs etc. It is because of toooooo many regulations that all the cars look and perform the same. I remember watching F1 with my dad as a kid, there used to be cars of all shapes and sizes back then.


Oh and finally "Go Brawn GP!!!" Its not that i like them, (Kimi is my man!) but it is great for the sport to see a privateer team at the front of the grid.
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post Apr 14 2009, 10:43 PM
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So where do we find ourselves now?

Yeah, it has been a while since I posted here, but it has been a while since I have really enjoyed a race as well. Not because McLaren are down in the dumps this season, but because this just doesn't really feel like F1, the most glamorous sport in the world.

Looking at the car designs, heck even those cars from the 80s were more stylish (and the 80s were HORRIBLE in terms of fashion, generally speaking). Yes, there is more overtaking, but on the other hand, we needed to sacrifice design and speed amid other things in order to get this taking place mroe often in the sport (how often do lap and track records get broken these days).

I'm all fine with Brawn coming along and making an impact, I really am (as long as Ferrari ain't at the top, I'm fine with it), but is this really a reflection of where F1 SHOULD be, had the pace not been slowed down in recent years? Clearly not. The 180 turn by the two dominant teams, Ferrari and McLaren proves that the way things are now, F1 is going backwards, and not forwards. Last year these two teams were once again the two main contenders for the titles. BMW COULD have been in the mix, had they not decided to focus more on the 2009 car's development, but I digress. Last year Red Bull were not at the top of the ladder, and neither were Honda (now Brawn), and look at where they stand now.

This ludicrous idea from Max Mosley for a 40 000 000 Euro budget cap is one of the worst ideas for the sport EVER! I hope that he does not run for another term as the FIA president, since it seems as though he probably picked up some syphilis during an SnM session.

All that said though, I am glad that Jenson Button finally gets a chance to shine. His world title is long overdue. I still however want to see F1 once again become the premier sports event in the world, where year after year lap and track records get broken, where cars just keep getting faster and faster. Sure, it does add pressure to the smaller teams like Force India at the end of the day, but that is the world of modern sport, where it really is all about the benjamins.

Here's hoping to a quick end to the "economic crisis" so that there can be no excuses for F1 having to backslide into a second-rate sport.
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post Jul 21 2009, 12:18 AM
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Yes, things are also tighter than what it used to be. The top teams are separated by so small a margin that a little mistake will cost you dearly (ask Rubens, Germany). In the good old days it used to be 108% rule for qualifying, but not anymore.

On an interesting note though i would like to see the teenager (can't spell it, lol) of F1 in action this weekend and if he will live up to the hype. Or if this is a PR stunt by sacrificing Bordais.
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The Renault Formula 1 team has been banned from the next race, in Valencia, for allowing Spaniard Fernando Alonso to race with a dangerously loose wheel.

This comes just a week after Henry Surtees, son of former racing chamion John Surtees, was killed in a Formula 2 race in England by a wheel that flew from a fellow racer's car after a crash.

It was apparent immediately after Alonso left the pits during the 2009 Hungarian F1 GP on Sunday that a front wheel had not been fitted properly and was in danger of coming off but Alsonso kept on, at speed, around the Hungaroring
That the wheel was loose was immediately apparent
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Renault immediately announced its intention to appeal against the stewards' decision that will keep Alonso out of his home GP on August 23.

He started on pole in Hungary an pitted at the end of lap 12. A few corners later the wheel cover and then the right front wheel came off his Renault and bounced to the side of the track, eventually hitting the trackside barrier.

The Spaniard returned to the pits on three wheels and retired a few laps later with a fuel pump problem.

During qualifying the previous day Ferrari driver Felipe Massa was seriously injured when he was hit on the head by debris shed from compatriot Rubens Barrichello's Brawn.

A statement issued by the FIA said the three stewards had reviewed video and radio recordings and met Renault team manager Steve Nielsen twice to discuss the matter
'The team failed to act to stop the car leaving the pits'
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They believed Renault had released Alonso's car without one of the retaining devices for the wheel nut being secured, an indication that the wheel itself may not have been properly secured.

"Despite this," the stewards said, "the team failed to take any action to prevent the car from leaving the pits and did not tell the driver about the problem even though he contacted the team by radio believing he had a puncture."

The ban applies to Renault, rather than specific drivers, meaning Alonso could drive for another team, depending on contractual issues.

Ferrari, repeatedly linked with Alonso in media speculation, is certain to be looking for a temporary replacement for Massa.

Renault's other driver is 24-year-old Brazilian Nelson Piquet, who recognised this week that he was fighting for his future at the team after failing to score a point this season.

He finished 12th on Sunday. - Reuters


Pretty fair punishment, considering what happened to Massa, and the death of Henry Surtees.

McLaren first, Ferrari second. I didn't think that I would see that this season...
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I haven't been here in ages, and I haven't watched F1 in ages. I found it rather boring. For all the changes that are meant to make it more exciting, it hasn't really been (from what little I have watched). I could be wrong, but I still haven't seen much overtaking.

I see Shumacher was going to return in the wake of Massa's crash, but he is now not since he has a neck injury.

Glad to hear that Massa is doing well though. Hope he is back racing a.s.a.p.


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I see Shumacher was going to return in the wake of Massa's crash, but he is now not since he has a neck injury.

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!! clap.gif
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Well, well, well. Force India in second place, and had it not been for the KERS on the Ferrari, it could have been a first place. It's good that their hard work has paid off. 20 million DOLLARS for 8 points? At least there is some ROI for the team now. tongue.gif

Any takers on Badoer driving at Monza? tongue.gif
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Yeah, I was glad to see that the Force India got some points. That car was on good form.

Badoer won't drive at monza. If anything they'll run 1 car only. tongue.gif
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