I am an athiest, there is no god.

What burns me is people using their religion, their belief in a god to justify their discrimination and animosity towards a people based on some moral crud they were sent by some ray of light or however the supreme being keeps in contact.

END!

I disagree with that. I believe that people can influence you as to your beliefs, it all comes down to there powers of persuasion and the strength of your will, but do agree that it is ultimately your own decision.

I have not read every post here, but read a few of them Can not remember who said that 70% of the people voted yes, but.... maybe it is because they are too scared.

Well I am a Christian, and I believe in God. I do not believe that I have to say why I believe in God. I just think this hs a Topic where people who do not believe in God, or anything(athiests) will pobt here more as dhey have something to "profe". Why mubt I come and say there is a God because of this and that. I havd faith that thebe is a God, and I believe in God with all my heart. Things have happend in my lhfe which just sdrengthen my beliefs, but I will not go in to that.

Jtst my 2cents worth.

biaos

I am taking a shot in the dark here, but were you a Catholic?

What you have said three about "thou shalt not doubt", that is what gets me about certain Christians. We were given the ability to have choice and thus have doubt. I believe that God wants us to ask questions, as he wants us to get the answers. He wants people to discuss the word of the bible! How else is the word of the bible meant to be spread?

Do not get me wrong, I am not trying to convert you back to being a Christian, just saying that you are not the only person who had/has doubts.

You need to STFU about things you obviously know nothing about. If anyone has anything to prove, its been the fanatics who came here to flame in previous religeous threads.

I will not STFU unless I feel like doing so. Notice how I said "I THINK", that is my personal oppinion, and I spose yours is that I know nothing. So what.



Did I hit a nerve? So fanatics came here to post in previous religious Threads. Where are they now, are they flaming? Who is the majority of the people posting here? What are the percentages of the votes? I think your argument is not valid ATM on this specific thread. Maybe it will change?

peace

You aren't very different to those people who get you all burned up. I mean, all this is coming from someone who wants Religious holidays to be disbanded, because he feels that because he is an atheist, and that he is the source of all goodness in this world, he should get his way.

Firstly, its no opinion, its a fact: the religeion debate has been done to death, several times on this board and If anyone has had anything to prove, they have done so in an older thread.

So STFU.

Secondly no that fanatics are gone, because they lose any interest when everyone else gets bored with the 'OMG GOD!' threads and go back to more rational discussions, however we always experience the periodic wave of these morons.

I have just one question to those who don't believe in God? Has everything that is on earth just happened out of chance? How do you explain the order of things in the Universe? Surely there has to be somebody greater who did all this?

I'm a christian and believe that there is a God.

AIGHT!!

Hmmm... in the (Christian) Church I attend doubt is seen as a natural emotion that everyone has. It's never been a big deal. You doubt, you soul-search. And, usually, you regain your faith.

And there's a reason it's called "faith". Because you can not prove it. Otherwise we could just call it "fact", or "lies", as some would have it. So I don't see why the people who voted yes must suddenly start righteously defending their faith. In fact, some posters in this thread dread the believers coming out and defending their side.

There seems to be two schools of thought here: "They are scared, unsure of their belief, cowards." and "Those flaming retards are gonna show up any minute now....". So, do you want us to post, or not?

What about: "We've had enough of this topic, just like you". Ever thought of that?



Right back at'cha: What burns me is people using their lack of religion of justify their irresponsibility and lack of moral values.

I also feel very weary of a flamewar about religion. Thus this is my last post on the matter. Period. Flame away.

I'm sick of this morals crap.

From now on, refer to me as 'LoudHoward: Lord of Moral Depravity'.

I honestly don't care what religion people believe in, as long as they're good people. I don't discriminate between various religions. If I like you I like you and visa versa.

One thing that really irritates me is that becasue I consider myself an athiest many people I know try to force me to go on Christian camps and do other such activities - in other words trying to convert me or get me to see the light (excuse the pun). I respect people's beliefs and I will never say, "You stupid Christian, god sucks!" That's just plainly disrespectful. Mainly I keep to myself about my beliefs. It's supposed to be private after all is it not?

This post has been edited by cyberCLoWn: Jun 17 2004, 11:23 AM

Yo Ziggy, I'm still not going to STFU.



I said it was my personal oppinion. Should I type it in big bold writing next time?

Anyways I have to agree with the following statement of cyberCLoWn:



adios

look into the field of deterministic chaos. then look into the field of fractals. then into some quantum field theory. then come back and tell me it is impossible that everything happened by chance

1) I need to shoot myself. Im a agreeing with BCR.

2)
whatever gets you hot and sweaty.

3)
Oh mother-fucker. Oh mother-fucking mother-fucker. Nobody does that okay? Nobody, child-molesting priest, Islamic dictator, American President, serial killer or street-variety athiest, actually believes that they are an imoral person. They all believe that their actions are good and justified.
Nobody wakes up and says, 'LOL I don't believe in God so Im gonna rape and kill.'

4)

Ninja-mo, Neo, Sadistic Lobotomy. These are three christians who I have respect for directly due to engaging them in debate about this very topic.

Kryptos, Giz. Two trolls who came here to tell everyone who disagreed with them in the slightest degree that they were wrong and headed for hell.

Im missing the scared and unsure ones you are talking about.

Hey Ziggy/All,

I went and thought about this last night, and I decided that I was not going to get in to any arguments with anyone. This should be a civil debate. I am sure we are all mature enough to tackle this topic in a decent manner, to listen to each point and then counter it if you so wish. I think it has been fairly civil up to now, and think we can keep it this way.

Any christian that starts flaming: Is that really the way to go. We are meant to love everyone, try to be as much like Jesus as we can. Does flaming portray this? There are decent ways to get your view across to anyone, and I PERSONALLY think that discussing the lord or a greater power will be so much better ifit is discussed maturely.

Anyway, just thought i would add another 2cents of my worth.

adios

This post has been edited by cyfermaster: Jun 17 2004, 09:35 PM

It seems there are a lot of people on this board with real anger issues. Not naming any names here but sheesh ppl, I have yet to read a thread here that doesn't degenerate into flaming and name calling. Okay, maybe that's an exaggeration but the number of rude, selfish and plain ugly posts is disturbing. What ever happened to PLUR? (peace, love, unity, respect)

And I'm not just talking about Fight Club either.

This post has been edited by Jumba: Jun 18 2004, 12:05 AM

My, don't we love stereotyping people.

I am a Roman Catholic and I believe in Christ. Why because I personally feel that it is good to have a glimmer of hope when times are tough. I used to be an Atheist but since becoming a Catholic I just feel happier in my life, knowing that somewhere someone cares and loves me.

Lets all just be civilised people and respect one another's belief rather than living in hatred.

btw cyberCLoWn and Jumba schweet avatars ;)

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Though IMHO I couldn't care anyless about religion. The problem lies when people
make a big issue about it or become extremists. In the end I think its something
you should decide on your own without bothing others with your doubts or trying
to force your believes upon someone else.

How is that possible? Do you know that part and parcel of atheism is active disbelief in God, not just some sort of apathetic nonchalance on the issue?

Subsequently, you are telling me that you used to believe that God did not exist, but now you believe he exists so that you can have some sort of faith shield? Could you not concede that you are merely looking for some sort of psychological protection from issues beyond your grasp? Are you not simply using God as the answer to the questions to which you yourself have no answer?

Do you know why you feel happier in your life since re-believing in God? I am interested to know. I have not had contact with someone who has gone from atheism to Catholicism before. It is, in my eyes, a rather strange thing.